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^ I do think that a lot of Arjen's music sounds like 70s prog, mostly because he uses instruments from the 70s. But of course he also uses modern technology, and the production is super clean. Well, I am glad that my musical taste buds are flexible enough to appreciate it.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

How about Ayreon? Arjen has always used analog equipment as much as possible.
Like a lot of the suggestions so far, they still sound nothing like 70's prog.

Btw: I agree with everything you write in regards to analogue verses digital, and I'm among those who prefer the former. I guess when some of us get to hear something closer to perfection, we just don't like it. Some remastering may be closer to what the artist might have wanted, but I often prefer the original nevertheless (not always).
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Originally posted by GoldenNoseSlim GoldenNoseSlim wrote:

Ah, thanks so much! Tbh, I think I know only Opeth and Naxatras from that list. Willing to give Opeth another shot. 
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From the album Heritage to nowadays, yes ! But NO (apart Damnation) before that because death-metal didn't exist in the 70's.

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One more modern recording I find to be quite good is

Univers Zero (B) - Clivages (2010)
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How about Ayreon? Arjen has always used analog equipment as much as possible.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

The new Ring Van Mobius album sounds like it could've easily been created in the 70s

Indeed they are a ringer for 1971 era ELP. Absolutely superb.

Other bands that have superb 'anaolog sound' are Elephant 9, Krokofant, Wobbler, Motopsycho etc. In fact Norwegian bands have more or less cornered the market on this. I consider it to be like RPI but for the modern era.
among the "etceteras" I really like. Now that's analogue warmth for you:

Jordsjø


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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

The new Ring Van Mobius album sounds like it could've easily been created in the 70s

Indeed they are a ringer for 1971 era ELP. Absolutely superb.

Other bands that have superb 'anaolog sound' are Elephant 9, Krokofant, Wobbler, Motopsycho etc. In fact Norwegian bands have more or less cornered the market on this. I consider it to be like RPI but for the modern era.
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I know it's been said, but yeah, wobbler
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Sorry friends but the short of a long story is that digital recordings for the most use definitely to lack some of the very important 
sonic qualities I hear live.
and in general certainly more than analogue recordings.
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^ That's not because they're digital. But if it makes you happy, keep pretending. 

EDIT: I need to be more specific: It's not because digital recording technology is inferior, but it may be because these recordings don't have the warmth that some analog recordings have. Which is not the fault of the technology, but a decision by the sound engineer. So blame them! 


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Sorry friends but the short of a long story is that digital recordings for the most use definitely to lack some of the very important 
sonic qualities I hear live.
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Harmonic distortion looks horrible when visualised, but actually sounds pleasant to most people. The whole genre of rock/metal is based on the principle of doing horrible things to signals Cool
 
It depends on the nature of the distortion and to what it is applied. For example, overdrive applied to a harmonically poor sound will enrich it and make it sound much better. But amplitude-clipping an already harmonically rich sound will make it sound scratchy and generally terrible. Distortion is something that is applied to individual sounds, possibly even to all the individual sounds individually, but not to an entire ensemble together.
 


I said "harmonic distortion", and I meant the subtle kind of distortion which a slightly overdriven tube adds. I didn't say "amplitude clipping". And yes, vintage tape machines do add this to an entire "ensemble" during mastering.


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Maybe the technical analogue/digital discussion could go to a dedicated thread?

To the OP: I would recommend to listen to Logos (if you don't mind they're singing in Italian), especially their albums L'enigma della vita and Sadako e le mille gru di carta.


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Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Theoretically speaking, all digital recording is sampling which doesn't record all of the musical information, while analogue recording, like the name says, as a principle does.


Nyquist is rolling over in his grave...

A bandlimited continuous-time signal can be sampled and perfectly reconstructed from its samples if the waveform is sampled over twice as fast as it's highest frequency.
 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Harmonic distortion looks horrible when visualised, but actually sounds pleasant to most people. The whole genre of rock/metal is based on the principle of doing horrible things to signals Cool
 
It depends on the nature of the distortion and to what it is applied. For example, overdrive applied to a harmonically poor sound will enrich it and make it sound much better. But amplitude-clipping an already harmonically rich sound will make it sound scratchy and generally terrible. Distortion is something that is applied to individual sounds, possibly even to all the individual sounds individually, but not to an entire ensemble together.
 



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Checked out Wobbler this morning. Why that's brilliant! Just what I was looking for. 

Thanks for sharing this!
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Theoretically speaking, all digital recording is sampling which doesn't record all of the musical information, while analogue recording, like the name says, as a principle does.


Nyquist is rolling over in his grave...

A bandlimited continuous-time signal can be sampled and perfectly reconstructed from its samples if the waveform is sampled over twice as fast as it's highest frequency.
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^ Sure! But as I said, just because something is technically inferior doesn't mean that it sounds bad. It can sound great! Harmonic distortion looks horrible when visualised, but actually sounds pleasant to most people. The whole genre of rock/metal is based on the principle of doing horrible things to signals Cool
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^ Everything about analogue is technically inferior. For example, analogue filters do horrible things to signals, whereas digital filters are close to ideal, and with the power of mathematics behind them, are capable of things that are likely to be impossible using analog filters.
 
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^ Another thing to note about analog recording technology: Especially when using vinyl, the imperfection of the medium nullifies any possible advantages. It still sounds great, but that’s usually due to the analog amplifier adding harmonic distortion.
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