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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Harmonic distortion looks horrible when visualised, but actually sounds pleasant to most people. The whole genre of rock/metal is based on the principle of doing horrible things to signals Cool
 
It depends on the nature of the distortion and to what it is applied. For example, overdrive applied to a harmonically poor sound will enrich it and make it sound much better. But amplitude-clipping an already harmonically rich sound will make it sound scratchy and generally terrible. Distortion is something that is applied to individual sounds, possibly even to all the individual sounds individually, but not to an entire ensemble together.
 


I said "harmonic distortion", and I meant the subtle kind of distortion which a slightly overdriven tube adds. I didn't say "amplitude clipping". And yes, vintage tape machines do add this to an entire "ensemble" during mastering.


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Sorry friends but the short of a long story is that digital recordings for the most use definitely to lack some of the very important 
sonic qualities I hear live.
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^ That's not because they're digital. But if it makes you happy, keep pretending. 

EDIT: I need to be more specific: It's not because digital recording technology is inferior, but it may be because these recordings don't have the warmth that some analog recordings have. Which is not the fault of the technology, but a decision by the sound engineer. So blame them! 


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Sorry friends but the short of a long story is that digital recordings for the most use definitely to lack some of the very important 
sonic qualities I hear live.
and in general certainly more than analogue recordings.
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I know it's been said, but yeah, wobbler
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

The new Ring Van Mobius album sounds like it could've easily been created in the 70s

Indeed they are a ringer for 1971 era ELP. Absolutely superb.

Other bands that have superb 'anaolog sound' are Elephant 9, Krokofant, Wobbler, Motopsycho etc. In fact Norwegian bands have more or less cornered the market on this. I consider it to be like RPI but for the modern era.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

The new Ring Van Mobius album sounds like it could've easily been created in the 70s

Indeed they are a ringer for 1971 era ELP. Absolutely superb.

Other bands that have superb 'anaolog sound' are Elephant 9, Krokofant, Wobbler, Motopsycho etc. In fact Norwegian bands have more or less cornered the market on this. I consider it to be like RPI but for the modern era.
among the "etceteras" I really like. Now that's analogue warmth for you:

Jordsjų


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How about Ayreon? Arjen has always used analog equipment as much as possible.
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One more modern recording I find to be quite good is

Univers Zero (B) - Clivages (2010)
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Originally posted by GoldenNoseSlim GoldenNoseSlim wrote:

Ah, thanks so much! Tbh, I think I know only Opeth and Naxatras from that list. Willing to give Opeth another shot. 
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From the album Heritage to nowadays, yes ! But NO (apart Damnation) before that because death-metal didn't exist in the 70's.

And dont forget: listen to Phideaux ! Wink 
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

How about Ayreon? Arjen has always used analog equipment as much as possible.
Like a lot of the suggestions so far, they still sound nothing like 70's prog.

Btw: I agree with everything you write in regards to analogue verses digital, and I'm among those who prefer the former. I guess when some of us get to hear something closer to perfection, we just don't like it. Some remastering may be closer to what the artist might have wanted, but I often prefer the original nevertheless (not always).
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^ I do think that a lot of Arjen's music sounds like 70s prog, mostly because he uses instruments from the 70s. But of course he also uses modern technology, and the production is super clean. Well, I am glad that my musical taste buds are flexible enough to appreciate it.
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^ I think they sound "typically modern" - as in 20-25 year old music and not 50. I replied like I did because I'm guessing it's the kind of new prog GoldenNoseSlim isn't looking for. I mean the title of the topic, the opening post, this: "Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes, Focus... Yeah, love that stuff" all sort of signalize that to me.

The metal elements, the clean sound (as you mentioned) none of what I've heard (two albums) has made me think it sounds 1970's. But maybe they've completly changed since I tried and concluded they weren't for me 15-20 years ago , I wouldn't know.

I do like a lot of new music with a distinct modern production (I suppose mostly outside of prog).


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In a way this request sounds to me like the most un-progressive thing I can think of - "give me music recorded recently which is JUST LIKE that of the 70s prog rock masterpieces, in both sound and style". This is so alien to me that I'm probably completely useless here. LOL

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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

BTW:Here's a list of all studio albums currently tagged as retro prog rock at TYM.



Don't really think of any of those Dream Theater, Spock Beard, Opeth albums as retro, guess that's the perils of tagging.
Yes by looking at that list, I understand why we think differntly about Areyon as well.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

In a way this request sounds to me like the most un-progressive thing I can think of - "give me music recorded recently which is JUST LIKE that of the 70s prog rock masterpieces, in both sound and style". This is so alien to me that I'm probably completely useless here. LOL
Yes, I'm ok with that. Play what you love and what comes from the heart. If that's a lot like an old established style, just make sure to add some personality. Many listeners and musicians alike are attracted to a sound from bygone times. People tend to prefer old architecture too. If it's done well enough I don't care about the date of release.


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

BTW:Here's a list of all studio albums currently tagged as retro prog rock at TYM.



Don't really think of any of those Dream Theater, Spock Beard, Opeth albums as retro, guess that's the perils of tagging.
Yes by looking at that list, I understand why we think differntly about Areyon as well.

That list is not coming from me - it's from many users who all assigned the "retro" tag for their own reasons. What you are looking for is simply a small subset of the list, since you have much more specific requirements than just "retro". The "retro" box is simply too inclusive for you.

Here's a little improvement, now there's an additional filter for the "symphonic" style. Probably still too inclusive ...
https://tagyourmusic.org/chart?page=0&prog=prog&genmod=retro&genre=rock&listStyle=covers&style=symphonic&types=lp%2Cep


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

The new Ring Van Mobius album sounds like it could've easily been created in the 70s

Indeed they are a ringer for 1971 era ELP. Absolutely superb.

Other bands that have superb 'anaolog sound' are Elephant 9, Krokofant, Wobbler, Motopsycho etc. In fact Norwegian bands have more or less cornered the market on this. I consider it to be like RPI but for the modern era.
among the "etceteras" I really like. Now that's analogue warmth for you:

Jordsjų


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yep I have both those on my extended Norwegian playlist

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Arjen Lucassen has been mentioned but nothing about his latest project


it does sound very like a lost Rainbow/Deep Purple album but I'm loving the Jon Lord inspired keys!


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^ It's really retro, but it also has a very modern guitar sound to it. I love it, but it's not suitable for 70s prog purists.
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