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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

As far as current releases go, a favorite of mine from 2023 is this release by Zopp: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=77524


That's certainly an excellent suggestion if you are looking for retro Canterbury.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

BTW:Here's a list of all studio albums currently tagged as retro prog rock at TYM.



Don't really think of any of those Dream Theater, Spock Beard, Opeth albums as retro, guess that's the perils of tagging.

Didn't see any DT albums in the list. For Opeth - Heritage the tag is valid IMHO, also for Spock's Beard. Of course the question is: "retro" in what sense? Spock's Beard were partially retro in terms of songwriting, but probably not in terms of sound/production. And of course bands like Wobbler are simply much more retro than SB.

You're correct, the perils of tagging. But also the blessings, since one can go through the list and take it for what it is (albums which some people chose to apply the tag "retro" to). Smile
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

The modern digital recording technologies simply capture the audio accurately.
I guess not many audiophiles would say that today. Wink

The science-based ones do. It's like Grumpyprogfan says: "the tape added the warmth". All these "audiophiles" who prefer the old, warm-sounding recordings are not really audiophile in the true sense of the word, meaning that the audio signal needs to be preserved as accurately as possible. Rather, they prefer a specific type of sound that the imperfect recording equipment of the 70s created (the technical term is harmonic distortion).

And I agree - those records sound great, while many modern recordings sound "cold". And of course compressing the dynamic range (aka the loudness wars) adds to the problem. But the accuracy of the recording is not the issue - if anything, modern technology captures things too accurately.

Theoretically speaking, all digital recording is sampling which doesn't record all of the musical information, while analogue recording, like the name says, as a principle does.
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Anyway, the most important in my opinion is how much one likes the sound quality one seems to hear.


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The term modern can be a slippery slope but I'll say:

Anglagard
Anekdoten
The Flower Kings
Most current RPI bands
Transatlantic
IQ
Magic Pie
Moon Safari
Diagonal
Eldberg


I would say most recent bands on here labelled symphonic prog are retro.


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It amuses me that some don't read the OP, only the title, and just respond.

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Magic Bus: We're travelling in a fried out kombi, on a hippie trail, head full of zombie, with a modern band who play music that's firmly rooted in the late 1960's psychedelic era. You don't have to come from a land down under to enjoy this hippie band of flower children, but they go well together with a Vegemite sandwich. Tongue

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There's also clear similarities  with the Canterbury Scene sound of Caravan - which seems fitting for a VW camper van, or indeed a Magic Bus. Wink
 


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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

It amuses me that some don't read the OP, only the title, and just respond.

I'd even say it's not a good habit to have if it's the case. Embarrassed
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Constantine has three albums from 2015, 220, and 2023, but I only know Day of Light from 2015, which is primarily a Prog Folk project with psychedelia.






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Seek out albums where the musicians employ identical or similar instruments to our heroes! 

I like to hear Hammond B3 organ through Leslie speakers, genuine Mellotron (or high-quality Mellotron samples), Rickenbacker bass, authentic Mini-Moog, Fender Rhodes electric piano, Gibson Les Paul with distortion & analog echo, etc. 

This will give you an idea of what I always look for!   Many bands experiment with these instruments, such as Glass Hammer, Night Watch etc. 
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

It amuses me that some don't read the OP, only the title, and just respond.

Glad to see you are finally living up  to your name. WinkLOL
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

It amuses me that some don't read the OP, only the title, and just respond.

You mean that people focus on the style/genre rather than the sound? I'm not so sure about that, since there is a correlation.

But sure, I guess the OP is primarily looking for albums that have a "retro production" rather than emulating the style of the 70s. So less Transatlantic, more Wobbler/Anekdoten/Änglagård etc.. 
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Anyway, the most important in my opinion is how much one likes the sound quality one seems to hear.
 
Well, that's one thing, but the reason why '70s music sounds the way it does is objectively due to the limitations of the technology.
 
 
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Theoretically speaking, all digital recording is sampling which doesn't record all of the musical information, while analogue recording, like the name says, as a principle does.
 
That may be the case if one were a bat, but humans have hearing frequency limitations that nullify the theoretical limitations of modern digital recordings. In other words, provided that the physical implementation of the digital technology matches the theoretical specification of the digital technology, then to an unbiased human listener, digital music will sound as perfect as their hearing allows.
 
And while analogue may be theoretically unlimited, no real analogue storage medium is capable of matching the real technical specifications of digital storage media.
 
Many people look at the stepped digital waveform and neglect that it is: (1) an exaggeration, (2) smoothed to the same as the analogue signal by (among other things) the ear.
 



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^ Another thing to note about analog recording technology: Especially when using vinyl, the imperfection of the medium nullifies any possible advantages. It still sounds great, but that’s usually due to the analog amplifier adding harmonic distortion.
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^ Everything about analogue is technically inferior. For example, analogue filters do horrible things to signals, whereas digital filters are close to ideal, and with the power of mathematics behind them, are capable of things that are likely to be impossible using analog filters.
 
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^ Sure! But as I said, just because something is technically inferior doesn't mean that it sounds bad. It can sound great! Harmonic distortion looks horrible when visualised, but actually sounds pleasant to most people. The whole genre of rock/metal is based on the principle of doing horrible things to signals Cool
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Theoretically speaking, all digital recording is sampling which doesn't record all of the musical information, while analogue recording, like the name says, as a principle does.


Nyquist is rolling over in his grave...

A bandlimited continuous-time signal can be sampled and perfectly reconstructed from its samples if the waveform is sampled over twice as fast as it's highest frequency.
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Checked out Wobbler this morning. Why that's brilliant! Just what I was looking for. 

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Harmonic distortion looks horrible when visualised, but actually sounds pleasant to most people. The whole genre of rock/metal is based on the principle of doing horrible things to signals Cool
 
It depends on the nature of the distortion and to what it is applied. For example, overdrive applied to a harmonically poor sound will enrich it and make it sound much better. But amplitude-clipping an already harmonically rich sound will make it sound scratchy and generally terrible. Distortion is something that is applied to individual sounds, possibly even to all the individual sounds individually, but not to an entire ensemble together.
 



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Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Theoretically speaking, all digital recording is sampling which doesn't record all of the musical information, while analogue recording, like the name says, as a principle does.


Nyquist is rolling over in his grave...

A bandlimited continuous-time signal can be sampled and perfectly reconstructed from its samples if the waveform is sampled over twice as fast as it's highest frequency.
 
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Maybe the technical analogue/digital discussion could go to a dedicated thread?

To the OP: I would recommend to listen to Logos (if you don't mind they're singing in Italian), especially their albums L'enigma della vita and Sadako e le mille gru di carta.


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