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The Big Three of pre-'80s Hard Rock / Heavy Metal |
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Steve Wyzard 
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 Posted: May 11 2023 at 12:47 |
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Black Sabbath: too morbid, doomy and gloomy
Deep Purple: 1. Deepest Purple: The Very Best of 2. Made in Japan 3. Concerto for Group and Orchestra Led Zeppelin: 1: In Through the Out Door 2. Physical Graffiti 3. Houses of the Holy
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Posted: May 11 2023 at 14:13 |
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If we're talking pre-80s heavy rock/metal that influenced the NWoBHM movement, frankly at this point I'd give as much credit to Judas Priest, the Scorpions and even Boston as I would Sabbath, Zep, or Rush. |
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Black Sabbath - Paranoid - Master of Reality - Vol. 4 - Sabotage - Black Sabbath Deep Purple - Machine Head - In Rock - Fireball - Made in Japan Led Zeppelin - I - II - III - IV - Houses of the Holy - Physical Graffiti Uriah Heep- Salisbury - Look At Yourself - Demons and Wizards - The Magician's Birthday
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: May 13 2023 at 10:07 |
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Top 4 from the Big 4
 1970: Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YztzNyDGcpc 1970: Black Sabbath - Paranoid - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLo2VF3ux4qcZ6b7vL7SVhBEK_NAbKzsoD 1980: Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnWsRUKGDeo 1990: Black Sabbath - Tyr - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=647iZ1sSoaU 1968: Deep Purple - Shades of Deep Purple - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3sqPIGGwHg 1969: Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1rJohGD9LA 1969: Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin II - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2bxOJX-E3M 1973: Led Zeppelin - Houses of the Holy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97FpOlzPqFM 1975: Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH6I31ev1GM 1971: Uriah Heep - Salisbury - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mlPnV1Ke8o 1971: Uriah Heep - Look at Yourself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk5K6L2OPj4 1972: Uriah Heep - Demons and Wizards - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjTHfKjNI7g 1972: Uriah Heep - The Magician's Birthday - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQOTaasHwWM |
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David_D
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I wonder if Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin are quite as popular around here as I imagined.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Psychedelic Paul
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It's not all doom and gloom though, like this song for instance, which is better than Alright.  |
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moshkito
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Hi, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple, go back at least a couple of years BEFORE Black Sabbath, so I would not count them (BS) in this thing, yet, though BS added a "heavy-ness" to the mold that became irresistible and still moves along, now known as "metal" ... or most of it as "crap" as I like to say for fun. Copies of more copies with lyrics supposedly determining the value of the band doing the same high school material as all others. But there were some interesting things at the time (1970) and one of them was QUATERMASS, that was keyboard heavy but the opening cut on it, ended up being a hard rock standard that was done by many others, later. Uriah Heep is also from 1970 on, so they would not have been at the "forefront" of things like LZ and DP were. I have to look at the "hard" aspect of it, since I don't think it became a big thing until BS's first two albums got out and they were played a lot on American FM radio (and ignored by the AM band, btw!!! -- which showed how much interest they had in something that sold!!!! And BS didn't sell? Right!) ... I keep thinking there were a lot more bands around making noise, but every list I find doesn't really seem to start until 1970. I wish we could include The Edgar Broughton Band, because they were specially hard and raw, and were likely one of the things that helped that brand of music, although I think that the EBB was writing material for various social and philosophical ideals, whereas it could be said that the other stuff at the time, was not as important ... a lot of it felt like just flowers in the kitchen or vegetable art in the hallway.  Edited by moshkito - May 16 2023 at 18:13 |
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MC5 were being fairly noisy around then.
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The Yardbirds, Blue Cheer, and Spirit preceded all of the above, I believe.
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Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin were among the bands I was very fond of from the very beginning of my worshipping music as a teenager with these albums: Deep Purple - Fireball Black Sabbath - Vol. 4 Led Zeppelin - Houses of the Holy
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Hi, I have to look at them some more ... I have ignored them for too long, but their loudness was well known in the Chicago/Madison/Milwaukee area.
I think that the choices listed by you are in collision/collusion with the idea of what you originally posted. By the time that Houses of the Holy came out, LZ was very much more polished and not the heavy/hardcore band that they originally showed on stage. BS 4 is a few years later, and not even close to the first two albums and the incredible attention that they got. After those first 2 albums, I think that BS went down hill some. By the time I caught them in Hollywood with Rare Earth (good) and Nazareth (made BS sound like stoned kids!!!) they were no longer an important band for me ... too much pop stuff and simple redo's. DP suffered from their early days, and perhaps they had replaced their strength with LOUDNESS, and their show was one I walked out of (Leon Russell was the other half) ... because it was poor and was not tuned right. substituting "loudness" for "quality" is a different ball game ... when you don't have a lot of value in what you do, then you use "loudness" to make sure the kids get impressed and buy more tickets. There is a massive difference in all 3 of these bands after the first 2 or 3 albums of theirs. I'm not sure that you can see that, and how they changed from the start. LZ mattured, BS went "pop" (generally speaking with a loon at the front!) and DP just went loud, not better and some of their folks leaving hurt the band. One can at the very least say that BS and LZ stuck to their folks to the "end", though Ozzie did not do badly on his own. Edited by moshkito - May 17 2023 at 06:38 |
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For me the '69 live album Kick Out The Jams is classic proto-metal.
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Hi, They were also the band that gave Iggy Pop his chance, and obviously they figured out that Iggy could not outdo them on stage with his antics. MC5 never got out-gunned with Iggy out front, but he went on to become quite big. You gotta have guts, balls and some talent, to do that and not feel intimidated by some young kid that was in swim shorts on stage going crazy! The only sad side of that? The Hollywood crowd at the Whiskey (Babe Ruth opened the show with an awesome set!!!) , was probably more interested in his balls than they were in the music ... hahaha ... just a fun joke!
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Wait, you got it all wrong. Black Sabbath's Vol.4 came a year before Houses of the Holy. Also BS went downhill after paranoid? Really? Because Master of Reality and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath were great albums, so what are you talking about here? Vol. 4 and Sabotage are also beloved albums. So I don't know what tour you saw them on that they were a mess or stoned... Possibly late 70s or at least post '77. Also BS went pop? When? What album do you have in mind when you say that? I'm confused here.
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