Progarchives.com has always (since 2002) relied on banners ads to cover web hosting fees and all. Please consider supporting us by giving monthly PayPal donations and help keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14753
Posted: March 16 2023 at 06:41
Easy Money wrote:
^ I have two legs that I use for walking, fact or perspective?
Whatever is declared as fact is done so from a perspective. By the way, "The word fact derives from the Latin factum. It was first used in English with the same meaning: "a thing done or performed" (from Wikipedia).
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: August 11 2007
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 10618
Posted: March 16 2023 at 08:12
Lewian wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ I have two legs that I use for walking, fact or perspective?
Whatever is declared as fact is done so from a perspective. By the way, "The word fact derives from the Latin factum. It was first used in English with the same meaning: "a thing done or performed" (from Wikipedia).
Would your post count as a fact, or a perspective or something else?
Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14753
Posted: March 16 2023 at 12:18
Easy Money wrote:
Lewian wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ I have two legs that I use for walking, fact or perspective?
Whatever is declared as fact is done so from a perspective. By the way, "The word fact derives from the Latin factum. It was first used in English with the same meaning: "a thing done or performed" (from Wikipedia).
Would your post count as a fact, or a perspective or something else?
You can count it for whatever you want. Obviously it's written from my perspective. But from my perspective "Whatever is declared as fact is done so from a perspective" could well be declared a fact, I find it rather obvious. But then I may be wrong and you may have arguments why for you it isn't a fact?
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: August 11 2007
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 10618
Posted: March 16 2023 at 14:10
Lewian wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Lewian wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ I have two legs that I use for walking, fact or perspective?
Whatever is declared as fact is done so from a perspective. By the way, "The word fact derives from the Latin factum. It was first used in English with the same meaning: "a thing done or performed" (from Wikipedia).
Would your post count as a fact, or a perspective or something else?
You can count it for whatever you want. Obviously it's written from my perspective. But from my perspective "Whatever is declared as fact is done so from a perspective" could well be declared a fact, I find it rather obvious. But then I may be wrong and you may have arguments why for you it isn't a fact?
Websters English Dictionary defines a fact as 'the quality of being actual' or 'something that exists or occurs'. Can you explain why "I use my two legs for walking" does not fit that definition?
Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14753
Posted: March 16 2023 at 15:54
Easy Money wrote:
Lewian wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Lewian wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ I have two legs that I use for walking, fact or perspective?
Whatever is declared as fact is done so from a perspective. By the way, "The word fact derives from the Latin factum. It was first used in English with the same meaning: "a thing done or performed" (from Wikipedia).
Would your post count as a fact, or a perspective or something else?
You can count it for whatever you want. Obviously it's written from my perspective. But from my perspective "Whatever is declared as fact is done so from a perspective" could well be declared a fact, I find it rather obvious. But then I may be wrong and you may have arguments why for you it isn't a fact?
Websters English Dictionary defines a fact as 'the quality of being actual' or 'something that exists or occurs'. Can you explain why "I use my two legs for walking" does not fit that definition?
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: August 11 2007
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 10618
Posted: March 16 2023 at 17:08
Re Lewian: Okay, I get it, I blended what you were saying with what someone else was saying, which was incorrect on my part. The statements I blended were similar but different.
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: August 11 2007
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 10618
Posted: March 16 2023 at 17:18
Lewian wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
^ I have two legs that I use for walking, fact or perspective?
Whatever is declared as fact is done so from a perspective. By the way, "The word fact derives from the Latin factum. It was first used in English with the same meaning: "a thing done or performed" (from Wikipedia).
Looking at the definition of fact again: Websters English Dictionary defines a fact as 'the quality of being actual' or 'something that exists or occurs'. It would seem that a "declaration" is not necessary if it is 'something that exists'.
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin
Joined: August 11 2007
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 10618
Posted: March 16 2023 at 17:27
If someone sees a tree and he says, look its a tree, then he is using perception, but if he does not even see the tree or calls it a cow, its still a tree. The fact that it is a tree does not require perception, perception is only necessary for someone to realize its a tree.
Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14753
Posted: March 16 2023 at 17:49
Easy Money wrote:
If someone sees a tree and he says, look its a tree, then he is using perception, but if he does not even see the tree or calls it a cow, its still a tree.
The fact that it is a tree does not require perception, perception is only necessary for someone to realize its a tree.
"Tree" is a word. It requires somebody to say it, and somebody to see the tree, who necessarily has a perspective. For me there is no contradiction between perspective and fact. All facts we are aware of are declared to be facts by somebody, from some perspective. Everything we know about trees comes from perception. You can say the tree is there without perception, but it isn't there as a tree, as tree is a word and connected to people who perceive the tree.
Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14753
Posted: March 16 2023 at 17:52
Listened to quite a bit of Pink Floyd today by the way. You can think about Roger's behaviour whatever you want, but I am eternally grateful to him (and the others) for having given us the music.
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
This page was generated in 0.184 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage")
Roger Waters
Topic Options
Catcher10 wrote:
