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 Posted: September 09 2022 at 10:25 |
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Maybe an interesting interpretation of "The Undercover Man" lyrics: "Hammill writes some stunningly complex lyrics. This one appears to have several of his recurring "themes". Specifically, Mirrors and Illusion or the difference between perception and reality.I think the narrative arc is of a performer (Hammill) staring into his mirror and questioning his motives for being who he is. He's talking to his reflection - "You and the Undercover man". The undercover man is his subconscious. The cracking dam is a maybe reference to the possible consequences of self doubt. It's interesting to me that it also appears to be Hammill offering his own hand to his drowning self.I think this may mean that we have in ourselves to power of self control." Written by PBA on https://songmeanings.com . |
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Posted: September 09 2022 at 09:43 |
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Some Peter Hammill lyrics which I'm very fond of: Here at the glass - all the usual problems, all the habitual farce.You ask, in uncertain voice, what you should do as if there were a choice but to carry on miming the song and hope that it all works out right. Tonight it all seems so strange - my spirit feels rigid, my body deranged; still that's only from one point of view and we can't have illusion between me and you, my constant friend, ever close at hand - you and the undercover man. (from VdGG's "The Undercover Man" on Godbluff (1975)) |
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David_D
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Posted: September 09 2022 at 09:14 |
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Progaardvark, can you maybe tell some more about your poem? |
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Posted: September 09 2022 at 09:03 |
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Thank you very much again, Mosh, it's simply great and much more of a good stuff than I've expected to see here.  Edited by David_D - September 09 2022 at 09:18 |
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Posted: September 09 2022 at 06:07 |
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Hi, Peter's whole catalogue fits, and it is difficult to select one piece over another. You can tell the poetic value in his work because it is so different from each piece and rarely will you hear a similar theme here and there on his music. That kind of individuality is not commonplace and not something that is always appreciated, and it is, in fact, the main reason why some folks DON'T LIKE Peter Hammill's work ... it changes so much and is so strong emotionally, that it is difficult to compare to the plasticene and cardboard reality of the majority or pop music, and even a lot of the "progressive" music as well. He's not the only one, though, and I'm shortchanging many folks that had a lot of quality, but in reality, they are difficult to address since most folks will stick to the topical material instead of the freer form poetry that drives the poets that we remember in the history of literature. It takes a certain amount of freedom to get this far, and you cannot be "dependent" on a riff or a sound ... and that is the thing that we screw up the most on. You are dependent on the voice and its delivery, and the music, more often than not, is not even essential to the whole, although some folks made it special, and we have to credit some, like Bob Dylan in his early days, for making it all so vibrant and memorable. To enjoy "poetry" you have to let go of rhymes and of ideas, and just close your eyes ... and there are surprises, too ... I remember reading Allen Ginsburg couple of small books and was not impressed ... and one night I saw "Tonite We All Love In London" and he is there reading a couple of poems, and all of a sudden the words explode ... that is amazing and important. It's like we couldn't see the visuals, but all of a sudden with a proper context, his words came alive, and that is something that books and a lot of literature hides and makes it tougher to appreciate the material and all of a sudden you have to rely on the "masters" to learn how it is done ... well, let me tell you ... there are no "masters" in the rock world, as they are writing something new that has not been exactly written about or seen for hundreds of years. I know there was poetry and music for many years, but no recording, so now that we have the first 100 years of it, I think that we finally will open up to a new form of expression ... just as important and valuable as poetry. One more singer ... I have always loved Sandy Denny ... and by the time you hear "Reynardine", you know that the wording is all she is about ... and when you have Richard Thompson with her, the whole thing just shines and explodes into one of the prettiest things ever recorded in rock music! The saddest poem though is her last ... on the Rising for the Moon album, and in the end, she did not get one more chance! I guess that's what makes it poetry ... knowing something that most of us are not capable of conceiving or understand! I'll post some, but as before, the words were ignored by folks that either can't connect to poetry, or folks that just don't like Mosh and think he is a waste. Even I, as cynical as I can be, will not do that to anyone here, although I might post a disagreement. I have that much respect, and more so for those with artistic sensibilities, instead of pop sensibilities, and to me, what became known as "progressive music" was not a pop song as so many talks here are ... it was art at its best! Makes me think of that Bunuel film ... his last ... with the image of the Goya painting, and the guy crying FREEEDOMMMM as he is shot! It doesn't mean sh*t to most here I don't think! (The Phantom of Liberty) ... and that is what all this music has become ... the Phantom of an idea ... how ironic that is!
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Posted: September 08 2022 at 09:16 |
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Thank you very much for your post, Moshkito, which I indeed find interesting, and I'd be very glad to see a sample of your poetry. Regarding Peter Hammill, his lyrics to "Killer" (on H to He...(1970)) are those I find to be not less than the very best I've ever seen. Edited by David_D - September 08 2022 at 10:21 |
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Posted: September 08 2022 at 08:07 |
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Hi,
This is going to be long ... and I'll do my best to be skimpy. It's hard to not understand, or agree, that "poetry" and rock music have not matched up well, and specially so in what we consider "progressive music". That being said, it is really difficult to not appreciate the poetic magnificence of CTTE and then TFTO ... which the group was never able to do again as it did not have the cohesiveness and their hugeness got to their egos. The better/best poets, probably are Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan (specially the earlier stuff), Roy Harper, Peter Hammill ... and I am missing more that I can't remember at this moment. There were a couple more from the late 60's that really pushed the "edge" of poetry and it was thought as it would be far out to mix it with music. To this end, the INCREDIBLE STRING BAND must get some serious credit as most of their early material was about poetry, not songs, and most of it lived until their crash in Woodstock with the audience asleep as they performed "U" ... which to this day is totally ignored here and deserves a lot of attention as the magnificent piece it is. But a lot of popsters around here don't like the old literary stuff and think that things that Jane got a gun is better poetry because it rhymes with fun! In a lot of rock music, poetry was mishandled and grossly used, and even made fun of in some cases. Renaissance, for the longest time, had lyrics written by a Poetess, whose name fails me. It made for very nice stuff, and a bit different from most folks, and not as "topical" as a lot of poetry tends to be. Other than that, the group Novalis, used words by the philosopher as lyrics, and there probably were more examples around the world, although they don't usually show up in listings and postings about poetry ... at all! I have written poetry to a lot of music, and just like my father's examples done to classical music that were published in his life, mine won't be published until I'm gone as I do not think that an audience exists for it, as folks, first of all, don't listen anymore, and second of all don't really know the difference between poetry and regular jargon and descriptive nothings that don't even make your heart and mind float all over ... there is nothing attractive about the aqualung lyrics listed above ... it's not even inviting, in fact it is more sexually abusive and minded than otherwise ... and something that these days would get smashed to bits! But it was, at the time, a very valid expression, somewhat similar to many folks out there in the world of literature that thought a descriptive passage makes a poem. Normally, that's "fiction". I much prefer TS Elliot to that fiction.
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Posted: September 08 2022 at 06:09 |
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Some lyrics I'm very fond of:
Sitting on a park bench eyeing little girls with bad intent snot running down his nose greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes. Drying in the cold sun watching as the frilly panties run feeling like a dead duck spitting out pieces of his broken luck. (from Jethro Tull's "Aqualung" (1971)) |
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Posted: September 07 2022 at 09:10 |
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Back to the beginners: 2000 light years from home Beyond the seventh galaxy We are the lost ones Edited by David_D - September 07 2022 at 09:29 |
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Posted: September 07 2022 at 03:34 |
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Wow, that seems to me something of an achievement.
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Posted: September 06 2022 at 15:00 |
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I wrote it in 1998. It was in a book of poetry I self-published in 2007.
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Posted: September 06 2022 at 14:35 |
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Can you give some description of it? Where does it come from? |
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Posted: September 06 2022 at 13:46 |
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That's pretty advanced, Progaardvark. |
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Posted: September 06 2022 at 10:52 |
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Quasisedimentation Theory running around the room with a remote in my hand |
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Posted: September 06 2022 at 04:44 |
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The Romantic Warrior across His Mind and Spirit Edited by David_D - September 06 2022 at 05:34 |
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Posted: September 06 2022 at 03:38 |
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Give it a try here whenever you feel ready - I'm not that bad.  Edited by David_D - September 06 2022 at 06:10 |
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Posted: September 05 2022 at 16:36 |
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Now, something else: My days dissolve in my own Light Above the toil of life my soul Is a bird of fire winging the Good Edited by David_D - September 06 2022 at 03:28 |
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Posted: September 04 2022 at 23:28 |
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I've asked Paul if he would like to write some poetic pieces here. He's thinking about it, but meanwhile he wanted me to tell that his poetic term for Danish Metal is Head-Bang & Olufsen Metal  Edited by David_D - September 06 2022 at 02:58 |
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Posted: September 04 2022 at 16:59 |
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I do: Don't come too soon To the next world But don't be late Edited by David_D - September 06 2022 at 03:29 |
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Posted: September 04 2022 at 11:24 |
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Won't to give any try, Cristi?
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