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But it might be a help to read my article again. 
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

If you define Progressive Rock close to mainstream Rock, it can be difficult to see the difference - which would be not good for Progressive Rock.

To my knowledge, genre definitions have never influenced artistic creation (be it music or other artistic expressions). Music influences music, and different artistic works can influence other artistic works, even crossing artistic expressions (i.e. films can inspire music, music can inspire paintings, literature can inspire music, etc.). I really think you are radically overestimating the importance of "genre definitions" regarding their influence on artistic expression itself: it is not the definitions that influence artistic works, it is the artistic works that influence other artistic works (which, in turn, may lead to and/or reformulate a genre definition...).
Genres are by nature very ill defined and never have clear boundaries (and definitely no static boundaries). Trying to come to rigid definitions will lead to include or exclude works that we would intuitively exclude/include.

Would it be okay for you to quote this post of yours in my blog "How to define and classify Progressive Rock?", and maybe continue this discussion there?

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

^ Yes, that's OK. It is better suited there if you want to continue on it.

Suitkees' post quoted here was written in the thread "Top 100 all-time as rated on RYM and PA", 12 August 2022.

Thank you very much, Suitkees, for this very good post of yours, and however this discussion will be continued or not here, I'm very glad of this post.
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Paul, I'm curious about your way of classifying. Smile
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Paul, I'm curious about your way of classifying. Smile
We had a very simple way of classifying Progressive Rock when I used to run my own music site:-

1967-1979: Classic Prog
Post-1970's: Neo Prog

And that was it! Big smile
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1967-1979: Classic Prog
Post-1970's: Neo Prog

And that was it! Big smile

this was not funny two years ago, it's not funny today either.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


1967-1979: Classic Prog
Post-1970's: Neo Prog

And that was it! Big smile

this was not funny two years ago, it's not funny today either.
But it's true! That's how we used to classify Progressive Rock on YouTube Episodes & Music back in 2013-2015. We didn't have any of the additional prog categories we have here such as Crossover Prog, Eclectic Prog or Heavy Prog, etc, etc.

It wasn't just a Progressive Rock music site though - it was an all-music site with 20 parent genres of music and 200 sub-genres, but with only two sub-genres for prog:-
 Classic Prog & Neo Prog. Smile

David asked the question and I answered it as honestly as I could. If you don't like the answer, that's just too bad. Big smile


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


David asked the question and I answered it as honestly as I could. If you don't like the answer, that's just too bad. Big smile

that's a rude thing to say. 
I do not like the answer because it's inaccurate. 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

But it's true! That's how we used to classify Progressive Rock on YouTube Episodes & Music back in 2013-2015. We didn't have any of the additional prog categories we have here such as Crossover Prog, Eclectic Prog or Heavy Prog, etc, etc.

It wasn't just a Progressive Rock music site though - it was an all-music site with 20 parent genres of music and 200 sub-genres, but with only two sub-genres for prog:-
 Classic Prog & Neo Prog. Smile


Most of the PA subgenres have been around for years. The fact that you still classify things like that, I can't take that seriously, just a silly joke of yours. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

But it's true! That's how we used to classify Progressive Rock on YouTube Episodes & Music back in 2013-2015. We didn't have any of the additional prog categories we have here such as Crossover Prog, Eclectic Prog or Heavy Prog, etc, etc.

It wasn't just a Progressive Rock music site though - it was an all-music site with 20 parent genres of music and 200 sub-genres, but with only two sub-genres for prog:-
 Classic Prog & Neo Prog. Smile


Most of the PA subgenres have been around for years. The fact that you still classify things like that, I can't take that seriously, just a silly joke of yours. 
It's not a silly joke at all and I don't "still classify things like that". I think you'll find that most all-music sites don't have lots of sub-genres for prog. We have lots of prog sub-genres here because it's a specialist prog site, and yes, I already know what you're going to say:- "Thank You Captain Obvious!" LOL


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It's not a silly joke at all. I think you'll find that most all-music sites don't have lots of sub-genres for prog. We have lots of prog sub-genres here because it's a specialist prog site

But we are not on an all-music site, are we? 
it seems to me you give those kind of sites more credit and respect than you have ever given PA, which is insulting to the work admin and collabs (and other users) have done on the PA database. How you do not understand that is beyond me... Ouch
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It's not a silly joke at all. I think you'll find that most all-music sites don't have lots of sub-genres for prog. We have lots of prog sub-genres here because it's a specialist prog site

But we are not on an all-music site, are we? 
it seems to me you give those kind of sites more credit and respect than you have ever given PA, which is insulting to the work admin and collabs (and other users) have done on the PA database. How you do not understand that is beyond me... Ouch
No, you've got it completely wrong. I've never even visited any all-music sites since I've been a member of ProgArchives. Why would I need to? I've got all the music I need right here and on YouTube. Big smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It's not a silly joke at all. I think you'll find that most all-music sites don't have lots of sub-genres for prog. We have lots of prog sub-genres here because it's a specialist prog site

But we are not on an all-music site, are we? 
it seems to me you give those kind of sites more credit and respect than you have ever given PA, which is insulting to the work admin and collabs (and other users) have done on the PA database. How you do not understand that is beyond me... Ouch
No, you've got it completely wrong. I've never even visited any all-music sites since I've been a member of ProgArchives. Why would I need to? I've got all the music I need right here and on YouTube. Big smile

Then the only conclusion i can take is that you were trolling with that classification. Ouch
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It's not a silly joke at all. I think you'll find that most all-music sites don't have lots of sub-genres for prog. We have lots of prog sub-genres here because it's a specialist prog site

But we are not on an all-music site, are we? 
it seems to me you give those kind of sites more credit and respect than you have ever given PA, which is insulting to the work admin and collabs (and other users) have done on the PA database. How you do not understand that is beyond me... Ouch
No, you've got it completely wrong. I've never even visited any all-music sites since I've been a member of ProgArchives. Why would I need to? I've got all the music I need right here and on YouTube. Big smile

Then the only conclusion i can take is that you were trolling with that classification. Ouch
Wrong again! That was how we used to classify prog when I used to run my own music site, whether you like it or not. Big smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It's not a silly joke at all. I think you'll find that most all-music sites don't have lots of sub-genres for prog. We have lots of prog sub-genres here because it's a specialist prog site

But we are not on an all-music site, are we? 
it seems to me you give those kind of sites more credit and respect than you have ever given PA, which is insulting to the work admin and collabs (and other users) have done on the PA database. How you do not understand that is beyond me... Ouch
No, you've got it completely wrong. I've never even visited any all-music sites since I've been a member of ProgArchives. Why would I need to? I've got all the music I need right here and on YouTube. Big smile

Then the only conclusion i can take is that you were trolling with that classification. Ouch
Wrong again! That was how we used to classify prog when I used to run my own music site, whether you like it or not. Big smile

But do you realize today how inaccurate that classification is? Why do you persist with that classification still? 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It's not a silly joke at all. I think you'll find that most all-music sites don't have lots of sub-genres for prog. We have lots of prog sub-genres here because it's a specialist prog site

But we are not on an all-music site, are we? 
it seems to me you give those kind of sites more credit and respect than you have ever given PA, which is insulting to the work admin and collabs (and other users) have done on the PA database. How you do not understand that is beyond me... Ouch
No, you've got it completely wrong. I've never even visited any all-music sites since I've been a member of ProgArchives. Why would I need to? I've got all the music I need right here and on YouTube. Big smile

Then the only conclusion i can take is that you were trolling with that classification. Ouch
Wrong again! That was how we used to classify prog when I used to run my own music site, whether you like it or not. Big smile

But do you realize today how inaccurate that classification is? Why do you persist with that classification still? 
You're wrong again. I don't persist with that classification today. All I'm saying is that's how we used to classify prog back in the days of YouTube Episodes & Music. Anyway, what happened to David? He posed the question, but he seems to have disappeared, leaving me and you to argue it out again like an old married couple. LOL
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Paul, I'm curious about your way of classifying. Smile
We had a very simple way of classifying Progressive Rock when I used to run my own music site:-

1967-1979: Classic Prog
Post-1970's: Neo Prog

And that was it! Big smile

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

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.....That's how we used to classify Progressive Rock on YouTube Episodes & Music back in 2013-2015. We didn't have any of the additional prog categories we have here such as Crossover Prog, Eclectic Prog or Heavy Prog, etc, etc.

It wasn't just a Progressive Rock music site though - it was an all-music site with 20 parent genres of music and 200 sub-genres, but with only two sub-genres for prog:-
 Classic Prog & Neo Prog. Smile

That's very interesting, Paul, thanks. Smile



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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Paul, I'm curious about your way of classifying. Smile
We had a very simple way of classifying Progressive Rock when I used to run my own music site:-

1967-1979: Classic Prog
Post-1970's: Neo Prog

And that was it! Big smile

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

........
.....That's how we used to classify Progressive Rock on YouTube Episodes & Music back in 2013-2015. We didn't have any of the additional prog categories we have here such as Crossover Prog, Eclectic Prog or Heavy Prog, etc, etc.

It wasn't just a Progressive Rock music site though - it was an all-music site with 20 parent genres of music and 200 sub-genres, but with only two sub-genres for prog:-
 Classic Prog & Neo Prog. Smile

That's very interesting, Paul, thanks. Big smile
I'm glad someone finds it interesting. Tongue
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

That's very interesting, Paul, thanks. Big smile
I'm glad someone finds it interesting. Tongue

I guess, not so few. Smile
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You're wrong again. I don't persist with that classification today. All I'm saying is that's how we used to classify prog back in the days of YouTube Episodes & Music. Anyway, what happened to David? He posed the question, but he seems to have disappeared, leaving me and you to argue it out again like an old married couple. LOL

wow, I'm so wrong today. Ouch
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

That's very interesting, Paul, thanks. Big smile
I'm glad someone finds it interesting. Tongue

I guess, not so few. Smile

Least of all Cristi. Tongue

These were the 20 parent genres of music on our long-since defunct music site (which thankfully didn't include Rap/Hip-Hop) and which were further sub-divided into 200 sub-genres of music:-

Alternative
Blues
Classical
Comedy & Novelty
Country
Dance
Easy Listening
Electronica
Folk
Inspirational & Gospel
Jazz 
Latino
Metal
New Age
Pop
Reggae
Rock 
Soul
Vocal
World

I think we just about had everything covered. Smile
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