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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It's always good to bounce ideas off one another, just like a Ricochet, which is coming up next, Smile

But my next thread won't be exactly based on your ideas, or more exactly speaking, tastes. Big smile

I guess we'll have to wait awhile longer for a Danish prog thread then. Wink

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It's always good to bounce ideas off one another, just like a Ricochet, which is coming up next, Smile

But my next thread won't be exactly based on your ideas, or more exactly speaking, tastes. Big smile

I guess we'll have to wait awhile longer for a Danish prog thread then. Wink
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

It's always good to bounce ideas off one another, just like a Ricochet, which is coming up next, Smile

But my next thread won't be exactly based on your ideas, or more exactly speaking, tastes. Big smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Maybe you could start a Danish prog blog to highlight some of the prog artists from your home country, although you might quickly run out of albums to feature. Tongue
At least listing all of The Savage Rose's many albums would keep you busy for awhile. Wink

Anyway, I've got ideas for two new threads. Big smile

It's always good to bounce ideas off one another, just like a Ricochet, which is coming up next, Smile

Yes, to keep one busy. Big smile
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Maybe you could start a Danish prog blog to highlight some of the prog artists from your home country, although you might quickly run out of albums to feature. Tongue

If to be serious, and look at the ratings at RYM, it's not that bad, but it is with my motivation for it. Big smile

At least listing all of The Savage Rose's many albums would keep you busy for awhile. Wink

Anyway, I've got ideas for two new threads. Big smile

It's always good to bounce ideas off one another, just like a Ricochet, which is coming up next, Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Maybe you could start a Danish prog blog to highlight some of the prog artists from your home country, although you might quickly run out of albums to feature. Tongue

If to be serious, and look at the ratings at RYM, it's not that bad, but it is with my motivation for it. Big smile

At least listing all of The Savage Rose's many albums would keep you busy for awhile. Wink

Anyway, I've got ideas for two new threads. Big smile
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4 stars 1975: Rubycon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd6XL_IOS3I
 
Rubycon is Tangerine Dream's sixth album overall and the first in a long line of albums where the title track is divided into two long pieces of music occupying each side of the vinyl album. Rubycon is a real jewel in the crown of Tangerine Dream's extensive discography and a highly-regarded album in the emerging Berlin School of German sequencer-driven electronica.
I remember "crossing the Rubicon" of my local Virgin record store to buy this classic second Virgin album way back in the mid-1970's and there's been no gong back since. Smile
 
 


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^ Well, Tangerine Dream's early trio of spacey ambient albums still sound dark, brooding and menacing to my ears, despite you trying to convince me otherwise. Tongue
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

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Thanks for throwing some Underwater Sunlight on the subject of ambient music that sounds "dark" and foreboding to me, but doesn't necessarily sound dark to someone else's ears. Smile

Hi,

Paul ... you are talking about "conditioning", not listening. And this can be easily proved with a good actor given one line with 3 words, and he/she can say it in a hundred different ways stretching the realms of possibility in how it comes out.

The same for most music, but somehow, because it isn't "conventional" or "something we have heard before", it automatically becomes dark, and ... other definitions.

Most "ambient" music is not about "dark". Most is about illustrating feelings, some which we might consider dark, but we might as well consider the early navigators "dark" and "insane" because they were taking their ships into places that "didn't exist" and the earth was flat!!!!!!!

You hear a lot of music ... your horizons should not be comparing anything ... they should continue expanding, if I may say so.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Stratosfear was also how I in 1977 got acquainted with TD, and has remained to this day my fave TD album, or actually the only one I like so far enough to make a part of my exclusive collection.
I also love Stratosfear to bits, but is it really the only TD album you own? Hopefully this thread will change that. Wink

I've began to give Rubycon new listenings, and that looks good.

And Paul, it suprises me a bit that you, being so fond of Stratosfear, don't seem to be that crazy about Rubycon. 

Although Rubycon didn't quite make it into my Tangerine Dream Top 7, it's still a very worthy 4-carat gem for me and it's coming up here next. Smile
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Stratosfear was also how I in 1977 got acquainted with TD, and has remained to this day my fave TD album, or actually the only one I like so far enough to make a part of my exclusive collection.
I also love Stratosfear to bits, but is it really the only TD album you own? Hopefully this thread will change that. Wink

I've began to give Rubycon new listenings, and that looks good.

And Paul, it suprises me a bit that you, being so fond of Stratosfear, don't seem to be that crazy about Rubycon. 
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Edgar Froese (1944-2015) - the founder and only continuous member of Tangerine Dream - also embarked on a long and illustrious solo career in the same year as the release of the breakthrough Phaedra album, so for those Tangerine Dream fans who want to delve into Edgar's solo discography too, here's the full albums rundown.....

2 stars 1974: Edgar Froese - Aqua - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNWF50faO0s
3 stars 1975: Edgar Froese - Epsilon in Malaysian Pale - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPeW7KNEPSw
4 stars 1976: Edgar Froese - Macula Transfer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Y6FCwrhcg
4 stars 1982: Edgar Froese - Kamikaze 1989 (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK8VGzih6aw&t=2073s


Stuntman - which I haven't heard for Ages - was one of the Pinnacles of Edgar Froese's solo career, so maybe now's as good a time as any to give these fine albums another listen too. Big smile


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4 stars 1974: Phaedra - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIQ0dd7B_FU
 
Phaedra: the fifth Tangerine Dream album overall and their first album released on Richard Branson's  Virgin label. Phaedra is Tangerine Dream's real breakthrough album, reaching #15 in the UK album charts, despite minimal  promotion and hardly any radio airplay. The album marks the beginning of their classic sequencer-driven sound and was a major influence in the emerging "Berlin School" of German electronica.  Phaedra  continues with the tradition of featuring the title track on one full side of the album with shorter pieces of music on the reverse side. Regarded as a classic by Tangerine Dream fans, Phaedra fared much better in England than in the band's native Germany, where it sank like a lead zeppelin and barely sold 6,000 copies. Confused
 
 
The classic Tangerine Dream trio of Chris Franke (left), Edgar Froese (centre) & Peter Baumann (right).
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:



Awesome thread


Thanks. I don't remember my intro being quite as long as that. Tongue


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Originally posted by TheNefariousHED TheNefariousHED wrote:

Phaedra through Ricochet remains my TD sweet spot, but I enjoy the 2-3 albums in either direction on their timeline.

Those high school stoney evenings with the Stratosfear vinyl still warm my soul.
Stratosfear reached new heights for me too. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

3 stars 1973: Atem - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n50tuZHBag4K8Gw2Qcs1yyxLbnbpV4DaI
 
Atem (Breath) is the third and final album in Tangerine Dream's dark, ambient trilogy and the second album to feature their classic line-up of Froese, Franke & Baumann. Tangerine Dream moved into much more familiar territory with the sequence-driven sound of their next album, Phaedra - the first TD album on the Virgin label. Interestingly, the picture of the baby on the cover of Atem is Edgar Froese's son, Jerome, who followed in his father's musical footsteps by becoming a full-time member of Tangerine Dream in 1990.

Atem is their fourth album, and the last of the Pink Years albums...

Their third album is Zeit (a double disc affair) recorded the year before.

Paul is referring to Alpha Centauri, Zeit and Atem as its own (unofficial) trilogy.

I look at the first three as doing their own thing, and with Atem the "classic" sound begins to emerge.
Yes, that's exactly right and thanks for explaining it better than I did. I think of the psychedelic freak-out of Electronic Meditation as being separate from the unofficial "dark ambient" trilogy of Alpha Centauri, Zeit & Atem. Smile
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Phaedra through Ricochet remains my TD sweet spot, but I enjoy the 2-3 albums in either direction on their timeline.

Those high school stoney evenings with the Stratosfear vinyl still warm my soul.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

If I had a choice of which is the "best" or a top ten, then I doubt that TD would have 42 CD's in my collection. I'll be dead the day that I find one album I like more than the others, though there are some moments from several albums that are in my mind forever, the one that specially stands out, is "Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares".

I do not find, the early stuff "dark" at all Paul ... it was experimenting with the equipment and seeing what they could bring to it which started coming alive in ATEM ... and then exploded in STRATOSFEAR with their use of sequencers on hand. And 40 years later, if you check the live albums, TD still was the very best a sequencers, and the only ones that knew how to use them properly (I guess you could say they defined the genre) ... and make them sound neat.

I don't think there is "dark" in TD at all, although the impression is given from the titles, which in the case of the KAFKA album would make it stranger for your imagination, but more often than not, what EF was about was INTERPRETATION, and from a literary point of view ... it's like going to school and having to read the book ... you learn and remember something (if you care to pay attention instead of dope and parties!!! of course!). 

It's weird to me, how we "decide" that something is dark, when it isn't and/or it's light when it might not be, and often elusive and just circumventing the subject by confusing you! I can imagine how life is so boring, when you consider these things "dark" and don't see it in front of you ... it's a very scary proposition!
Thanks for throwing some Underwater Sunlight on the subject of ambient music that sounds "dark" and foreboding to me, but doesn't necessarily sound dark to someone else's ears. Smile
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

3 stars 1973: Atem - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n50tuZHBag4K8Gw2Qcs1yyxLbnbpV4DaI
 
Atem (Breath) is the third and final album in Tangerine Dream's dark, ambient trilogy and the second album to feature their classic line-up of Froese, Franke & Baumann. Tangerine Dream moved into much more familiar territory with the sequence-driven sound of their next album, Phaedra - the first TD album on the Virgin label. Interestingly, the picture of the baby on the cover of Atem is Edgar Froese's son, Jerome, who followed in his father's musical footsteps by becoming a full-time member of Tangerine Dream in 1990.

Atem is their fourth album, and the last of the Pink Years albums...

Their third album is Zeit (a double disc affair) recorded the year before.

Paul is referring to Alpha Centauri, Zeit and Atem as its own (unofficial) trilogy.

I look at the first three as doing their own thing, and with Atem the "classic" sound begins to emerge.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

3 stars 1973: Atem - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n50tuZHBag4K8Gw2Qcs1yyxLbnbpV4DaI
 
Atem (Breath) is the third and final album in Tangerine Dream's dark, ambient trilogy and the second album to feature their classic line-up of Froese, Franke & Baumann. Tangerine Dream moved into much more familiar territory with the sequence-driven sound of their next album, Phaedra - the first TD album on the Virgin label. Interestingly, the picture of the baby on the cover of Atem is Edgar Froese's son, Jerome, who followed in his father's musical footsteps by becoming a full-time member of Tangerine Dream in 1990.
  

Atem is their fourth album, and the last of the Pink Years albums...

Their third album is Zeit (a double disc affair) recorded the year before. 


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