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Originally posted by djcox2112 djcox2112 wrote:

Thanks for the great pic of pre-Rush, never saw those before... Seriously I respect the debut album of 1974, Rush, but that was not Rush...  Rush is after Neil, no disrespect, just my opinion.  I was a kid in Michigan in high school in 1977, first heard 2112, I was hooked.  Listened to that a million times and decided to purchase COS, it was rougher took some time, but I eventually loved it.  Today, Fountain of Lamneth is one of my go to Rush tunes.  Listen to it all the time when I'm by myself, like on walks with dog, wife doesn't exactly love it.  "No one at the bridge", IMHO no better song ever written by any group.  I've saw them live roughly 40 times, almost every tour with the exception of HOF, didn't get into that album (but I still bought it) :)  Started out in West Michigan, then Chicago, Milwaukee, then down in Dallas, TX where I've lived for the last 40 years.  My favorite period would be from COS thru Hemispheres, but love them all (especially PW/MP)...  Moving forward, what a great album Clockwork Angels was, reverting back a little, saw them twice that tour, Dallas (the DVD show), and later the next year in G.R. MI.  That was a perfect ending for me, saw them in my start/ending locations.  Also saw them in the R40 tour, great show...    

Have you heard YYNOT's rendition? This was before their original vocalist Rocky Kuner (yes, that's her name) left. Her voice is positively electrifying.


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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

[QUOTE=djcox2112]The first album is still undeniably Rush, just different than what they would become.

The first album is Led Rush.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Just an anecdote: I once met a guy who used to ask people if they were 'space' or 'post space' Rush fans. Not having the slightest idea of what he was on about, I asked him for an explanation. He said 'space' Rush fans were old fans who liked Rush before Geddy had the space between his front top teeth filled in. You can only get this stuff from Rush fans.

And when did Geddy get the space filled in? 
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Originally posted by djcox2112 djcox2112 wrote:

Thanks for the great pic of pre-Rush, never saw those before... Seriously I respect the debut album of 1974, Rush, but that was not Rush...  Rush is after Neil, no disrespect, just my opinion.   

Oh, come on. There are plenty of bands who sounded different on their first or early albums. Ever listen to the first Scorpions album, Lonesome Crow? Ever listen to pre-Steve Perry Journey? How about From Genesis to Revelation by Genesis?

The first album is still undeniably Rush, just different than what they would become.
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Out of the list of All-Time Top 10 Progressive Rock Bands, Rush are the only band who I still haven't gotten around to listening to all of their albums, although I'm in no Rush. Big smile

1. Genesis (821 points)
2. Yes (712 points)
3. King Crimson (683 points)
4. Pink Floyd (672 points)
5. Rush (379 points)
6. Emerson, Lake & Palmer (333 points)
7. Van der Graaf Generator (304 points)
8. Jethro Tull (261 points)
9. Gentle Giant (248 points)
10. Marillion (232 points)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2022 at 10:14
Just an anecdote: I once met a guy who used to ask people if they were 'space' or 'post space' Rush fans. Not having the slightest idea of what he was on about, I asked him for an explanation. He said 'space' Rush fans were old fans who liked Rush before Geddy had the space between his front top teeth filled in. You can only get this stuff from Rush fans.

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Originally posted by djcox2112 djcox2112 wrote:

"No one at the bridge", IMHO no better song ever written by any group.
Tis a great song. Every time I hear it, it gives me goosebumps and brings back treasured memories of my teenage years.
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I don't see any pics of "pre Rush" on here so I'm not sure what you are talking about. 

I disagree about the first album not being Rush. Most of the songs on FBN don't really sound that different than the debut (imo) so maybe CoS was their first. Then you could make the argument they weren't really firing on all cylinders until 2112 so maybe that was their first real album in much the same way people say TYA was the first Yes album. For me the debut was still pure Rush. John Rutsey was their from the beginning and they played as a band for six years before Neil joined. But if someone wants to think Rush was not Rush until Neil joined fine. You can say before that they were Hadrian (one of the bands some members were in early on). 


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Thanks for the great pic of pre-Rush, never saw those before... Seriously I respect the debut album of 1974, Rush, but that was not Rush...  Rush is after Neil, no disrespect, just my opinion.  I was a kid in Michigan in high school in 1977, first heard 2112, I was hooked.  Listened to that a million times and decided to purchase COS, it was rougher took some time, but I eventually loved it.  Today, Fountain of Lamneth is one of my go to Rush tunes.  Listen to it all the time when I'm by myself, like on walks with dog, wife doesn't exactly love it.  "No one at the bridge", IMHO no better song ever written by any group.  I've saw them live roughly 40 times, almost every tour with the exception of HOF, didn't get into that album (but I still bought it) :)  Started out in West Michigan, then Chicago, Milwaukee, then down in Dallas, TX where I've lived for the last 40 years.  My favorite period would be from COS thru Hemispheres, but love them all (especially PW/MP)...  Moving forward, what a great album Clockwork Angels was, reverting back a little, saw them twice that tour, Dallas (the DVD show), and later the next year in G.R. MI.  That was a perfect ending for me, saw them in my start/ending locations.  Also saw them in the R40 tour, great show...    
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Interesting question, I'll bite. To me, Everything from FBN through HYF was either increasingly proggy or at least progressive in the more technical sense (i.e. the fusion of new wave and synth pop influences with their technical rock stylings to create a new sound all their own in the mid 80s). Presto has its moments (Red Shore feels decidedly in their prog tradition, whatever you think of the quality), and oddly RTB's title track has a pretty weird structure compared to the other songs on that album (also there's a single time in Where's My Thing where they add one extra beat for no reason except that they can, and I love it every single time), but overall those two albums are really more about stripping back all the "unnecessary" layers and focusing on traditional songwriting, albeit Rush's interpretation of traditional songwriting. 
CP and T4E don't really get much more prog than that as the band look to really reconnect with their hard rock roots, and maybe take some inspiration from the heavy rock revival going on with grunge and the alternative revolution.  CP does have Double Agent though, which if you care more about the prog of the 70s than the more literal concept of progressive music, it's the most prog they've sounded in years. But most of the record sits just a little closer to The Speed Of Love than Xanadu, to put it lightly. Anyway after the hiatus things get increasingly prog again in my opinion. 
What VT lacks in multi-part suites it makes up for in sounding wholly unlike anything else Rush have ever done, and frankly not much like anything anyone else has ever done either. It's not really prog yet, but the songs take long enough in many places that they seem to at least be thinking about how to stretch out again.  Snakes sees them more fully rekindle that old prog style with both overt references to past prog of theirs (the Hemisphere's chord in Far Cry being the main example) and new excursions into more extended length composition (The Way The Wind Blows, Armor And Sword, and The Main Monkey Business all break the 6 minute mark). Not to mention it's got three separate instrumental tracks ranging from a lovely solo acoustic guitar piece to a funky bass showcase in the vein of YYZ.  
But the real full return to Rush's progressive roots and glory has to be Clockwork Angels.  Incredibly, it's their first full concept album, with an accompanying novel (one which I quite enjoyed in high school even if I can't say it's a masterpiece of fiction or anything).  It's also the first Rush album since Moving Pictures to feature even a single song over 7 minutes long, and it has 3 of them.  Now, there aren't any 10 to 20 minute prog epics here, but the three 7ish minute cuts don't waste a single second of runtime, something that I can't really say about all of the various 6ish minute cuts from their last few albums.  The album takes you on a musical journey and it feels like a truly cohesive experience, something the band hadn't fully achieved in years, if not decades. So to answer your question, I'd say CA was the last full blown progressive rock album Rush ever did, but before that it would've been HYF or maybe PoW.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

All of them have proggy moments, but full blown progressive rock?? Hmm Ermm. If we are talking song compositions and time signatures, complex rhythms, deep thought provoking lyrics then that stuff is in all their albums.

Right. I remember an interview in Musician when Presto came out. The article was even called (liberally paraphrasing here) "Rush: The Band That Made Rock Safe for 7/4." (The song in question was "Superconductor.")

And let's not forget that bass solo on "Show Don't Tell." That song/video aired on both FM and MTV during a time when there was a noticeably anti-prog sentiment felt throughout the scene in general...

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

All of them have proggy moments, but full blown progressive rock?? Hmm Ermm. If we are talking song compositions and time signatures, complex rhythms, deep thought provoking lyrics then that stuff is in all their albums.

Right. I remember an interview in Musician when Presto came out. The article was even called (liberally paraphrasing here) "Rush: The Band That Made Rock Safe for 7/4." (The song in question was "Superconductor.")

And let's not forget that bass solo on "Show Don't Tell." That song/video aired on both FM and MTV during a time when there was a noticeably anti-prog sentiment felt throughout the scene in general...
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All of them have proggy moments, but full blown progressive rock?? Hmm Ermm. If we are talking song compositions and time signatures, complex rhythms, deep thought provoking lyrics then that stuff is in all their albums.
But albums full of Xanadu, Fountain Of Lamneth, Hemispheres, La Villa Strangiato.....
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Originally posted by Deadwing Deadwing wrote:

Honestly only Hold Your Fire - Presto - Roll the Bones albums aren't very proggy, the rest (especially the last 3) are very proggy to me.

I find HYF to be quite proggy. That chorus intro to force ten? Come on! LOL
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Honestly only Hold Your Fire - Presto - Roll the Bones albums aren't very proggy, the rest (especially the last 3) are very proggy to me.
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I was going to make this a poll but decided to post here instead. What do you guys think was the last full blown progressive rock album that Rush did? For me it was probably Moving Pictures. However, I would say that Signals up to and including Hold Your Fire all had strong prog elements. After that I think they significantly moved away from an overtly proggy sound although still had the occasional proggy moments. So again, MP for me and then increasingly less so after that. By counterparts they had basically moved back to where they came from imo (a hard rock band).

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Alex's WTF speech is awesome and hilarious.    Supposedly, Alex had a speech written but instead he improvised the blah blah routine, surprising Geddy and Neil.

No, I agree 100%. My point is it shows the polar opposites of Neil and Alex when it came to being in the public eye. Alex had no issues doing what he did.
You can easily follow along with Alex......
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Alex's WTF speech is awesome and hilarious.    Supposedly, Alex had a speech written but instead he improvised the blah blah routine, surprising Geddy and Neil.


I mean it's actually brilliant. He managed to generate a comprehensible and understanding dialogue, yet give the award ceremony the middle finger, all whilst uttering a single word.
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^Alex's WTF speech is awesome and hilarious.    Supposedly, Alex had a speech written but instead he improvised the blah blah routine, surprising Geddy and Neil.
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