Amorphis for Progressive Metal

I listened to them a little bit a few months ago, gave them another chance, I don't get the hype around them, even as far as melodic death metal goes, I've heard better. 

Necrotica wrote: Just know that if we resurrect Amorphis on here for evaluation, I will 100% give them a yes. Amorphis have always been one of the most baffling prog metal rejections on PA in my opinion (Nevermore being another one).

Necrotica wrote: nick_h_nz wrote: Necrotica wrote: Just know that if we resurrect Amorphis on here for evaluation, I will 100% give them a yes. Amorphis have always been one of the most baffling prog metal rejections on PA in my opinion (Nevermore being another one). Amorphis and Nevermore are both prog metal to me. We all have different ears, though, so it is not that surprising, I guess, that not everyone is agreement as to what is or is not prog. I haven’t listened to the new Amorphis yet, but I have heard good things about it. 🇫🇮  For sure; everybody has their own take on what is or isn't prog. For instance, I never understood how Nightwish got added to the site, though I guess most people are fine with the inclusion

Jared wrote: Back in the early days of this site when the genre teams were first being established, there was undoubtedly a lower threshold for inclusion than there is today, especially within Prog-Metal, when Nightwish, Rhapsody, Kamelot and Epica among others were all included. The theory (back in 2005) was that if music lovers were trawling the Internet looking for info on popular bands, would 'happen' upon our site and be introduced to more progressive material. It was also decided that once a band had been submitted for inclusion, they couldn't be removed by subsequent members (I don't know whether this rule still stands), hence the continuing discussions about the likes of Rhapsody's inclusion (one of the first Admins was a huge fan). This idea of casting a wider net continued for a couple more years, during which time, Blind Guardian, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple among others were added, usually amidst great acrimony, with members saying that 'it was a line in the sand and they would be leaving if xxx were added' and so on (you know what Prog fans can be like! )  I guess a line has to be drawn somewhere, but I remember the discussions (often private) about Nevermore, when Communic were added and they weren't, for instance.... As far as Amorphis are concerned, I respectfully disagree with Cristi in terms of quality; Amiorphis are the very finest in their field, however Prog Metal? I've long been on the fence....

Edited by Cristi - March 14 2022 at 03:43

System of a Down are more prog metal than Nightwish, Rhapsody or Blind Guardian and the like! 😄

Edited by nick_h_nz - March 14 2022 at 03:53

nick_h_nz wrote: System of a Down are more prog metal than Nightwish, Rhapsody or Blind Guardian and the like! 😄 I get people being on the fence about bands like Amorphis or Nevermore. The line needs to be drawn somewhere. But for me, Nevermore is very similar to Queensryche, and although I totally agree with not using the “if x is here, why is y not?” argument, Nevermore and Queensryche are a quintessential x and y situation. Why one is considered prog metal and the other not, I honestly can’t understand. But there it is, and it’s not for me to argue. The thing is, so long as bands such as Nightwish do remain in PA, then there will always be controversy and argument over why certain bands are now rejected. Is there really still a reason why a band like Nightwish can’t be removed from PA? I guess the obvious one is a variant on the x and y arguement: “If x was removed from PA, why is y still here?” Regardless, if either Amorphis or Nevermore do come up for re-evaluation, they will get my yes.

Edited by Cristi - March 14 2022 at 04:12

Cristi wrote: Necrotica wrote: nick_h_nz wrote: Necrotica wrote: Just know that if we resurrect Amorphis on here for evaluation, I will 100% give them a yes. Amorphis have always been one of the most baffling prog metal rejections on PA in my opinion (Nevermore being another one). Amorphis and Nevermore are both prog metal to me. We all have different ears, though, so it is not that surprising, I guess, that not everyone is agreement as to what is or is not prog. I haven’t listened to the new Amorphis yet, but I have heard good things about it. 🇫🇮  For sure; everybody has their own take on what is or isn't prog. For instance, I never understood how Nightwish got added to the site, though I guess most people are fine with the inclusion  If Nightwish were suggested today, I probably would not say "yes", maybe prog-related. I would certainly reject any Rhapsody existing on PA.  As for Nevermore, as much as I enjoy them, I don't know if it's a baffling rejection. Shall we re-evaluate? We can at least discuss.

They’ll get a “yes” from me, if they ever do come up for re-evaluation. There’s more than enough prog in their music for me to give them a yes. But I have a feeling at least one of my prog metal team mates does not think they are prog enough, and only one “no” vote would see them rejected once more. So until I’m more confident of a unanimous “yes” vote, I’m certainly not pushing for a re-evaluation.

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^ And that's why they weren't re-evaluated when the last suggestion for this band was made in June 2021 (there have been at least 8 previous suggestions - with an average of more than one a year between 2006 and 2011). That previous suggestion is still open, so I think it would be beneficial if admins could perhaps merge this latest thread with it rather than have yet another one floating around.