How to define and classify "Progressive Rock"? - Progressive Rock Music Forum

Cristi wrote:

The off-topicness here is funny and ridiculous. LOL

Eureka!

How to define and classify Progressive Rock: funny and ridiculous. 👍🏻

There I was on a July morning

Looking for love
With the strength of a new day dawning
And the beautiful sun
At the sound of the first bird singing
I was leaving for home
With the storm and the night behind me

quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond

Anyway, I prefer

Revolution in their minds, the children start to march

Against the world in which they have to live
And all the hate that's in their hearts
They're tired of being pushed around
And told just what to do
They'll fight the world until they've won
And love comes flowing through

quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond

there is also darkness on that side of the moon...

There’s danger on the edge of town.

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nick_h_nz wrote:

And all the children are insane.

waiting for the summer rain...

And all the children are insane.

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David_D wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

Not sure why everything everyone replies to you is taken by you as negative, hostile, dismissive.....care to explain?

I'm afraid to say, Catcher, that it's not the way, I've experienced my interacting with Grumpy.

That's good......as I was starting to get really worried! LOL

Catcher10 wrote:

Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

jamesbaldwin wrote:

.....and then starting from the nineties it seems that prog has been reborn, and today, if we consider prog every form of contamination, prog is rampant, but in reality is no longer true prog. It is the music that changes, that keeps up with the time.....

Overall, therefore, I tend to consider only (or almost) the albums of the seventies to be masterpieces of true prog.......

For me this is pretty much it. True Progressive Rock in the late 60s to late 70's, from there it turned into ProgRock and 90s forward it is rock music with prog tendencies, but not true Prog let alone Progressive.

It's fairly simple for me.

True prog? Wacko

This seems to be a recurring theme. Just because you don't like prog music of today doesn't mean it's contaminated, or rock music with prog tendencies. Progressive music, to me, is defined as something that sounds different and pushes boundaries. The masterpieces of "true prog" were contaminated with influences of classical, jazz and pop music.

I'll mention a few artists I believe are more progressive than the moldy true-proggers. Our esteemed reviewers at PA could list more "still-contributing-worthwhile-prog" artists/bands than I could, so please feel free to do so.

In the 80's, Allan Holdsworth's solo material was beyond any fusion or rock I ever heard. It still is. His music is timeless and sounds fresh today. The way he voiced his chords and his leads were totally unique and original. There are several who tried to emulate him but none ever got close. Seems progressive to me.

In the late 80's early 90's prog-metal was developed. Dream Theater's, Images and Words, blew my socks off. It was as good, if not better, than any of the true prog masterpieces.

In the 00's, The Mars Volta, Animals as Leaders, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, and Between the Buried and Me were making music that sounded totally original. Pushing boundaries, progressing.

In the 10's, Thank You Scientist, The Aristocrats, Covet, ni, etc. are pushing boundaries and making progressive music. There are more choices and more excellent bands out there to explore today than anytime in progs history.

If you want to be stuck in the 70's and refuse to acknowledge that prog has progressed, that's your opinion. If it's because modern-prog is not your pint of brew, then your logic is flawed.

Cheers to "still-contributing-worthwhile-prog" artists/bands.

Bahh......Your digging for a fight that ain't gonna happen buddy boy LOL

. My "opinion" is that all the music/artists you named post 80s is not progressive rock, it all came from the progressive rock of the 70s and what was going on then, the influence is there but that's it. I have zero problem calling all that music PROG but that's about as far as it goes.

No way shape or form will I call Dream Theater progressive rock or progressive metal, prog-metal for sure. Your comment about I&W is super subjective, which true prog masterpiece are you referring to? Dark Side Of the Moon, In the Court, CTTE, TAAB, APP??? Good luck with all that... LOL

The artists and music I listen to post 80s are pretty much all influenced by the progressive rock of yesteryear, as well I will always listen to the artists that started it all back then.......I don't refuse to acknowledge anything.

I agree with Catcher10.

It's clear that what I am saying are only my opinions.

We are here called to say how to describe or define or classify the prog, and I said how I do it.

When I came to this site, I was amazed to find some of my favorite artists that I had never considered prog.

I give three examples from three different eras:

Tim Buckley,

Talk Talk

Sigur Ros.

I don't consider their music "true prog", as I called the original prog, that of the Seventies, but the fact remains that some of their albums are masterpieces, perhaps better than many historical prog albums of the Seventies. For example Lorca, Starsailor and Spirit of Eden are more beautiful (my opinion) than any EL&P album, or Camel, and actually even Genesis and Yes.

So, I'm not saying that beautiful music was only made in the Seventies.

There are many bands today that make beautiful music, but, in my opinion, they make music that isn't true prog. It is a very different, evolved prog that you can consider as you want.

Of the bands you mentioned, for example, I think The Mars Volta have made two albums that are very good, if not masterpieces, but I don't consider them true prog.

There are also some bands that still play true prog, and maybe they are as good as those of the seventies: but I haven't found them yet, the ones I see on display in the progarchives ranking seem to me good but very epigonic (I gave three examples: Wobler, Anglagard and All Traps, just because they are in the Top 100 rankings). I like Dream Theater and undoubtedly they invented prog metal, but in my opinion the prog structures of their songs are quite epigonic. But they invented the prog metal sound, which is good for them and for the music. Opeth are also good, they are definitely prog, I would say almost true prog

;-) but they also seem epigonic to me, very schematic, less creative than the phenomenon of the Seventies.

Tool instead are less prog... more original and creative, but their music doesn't convince me.

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