Top 100 all-time as rated on RYM and PA

David_D wrote: Philchem8 wrote: However, I think it is certainly possible to justify a definition of prog-rock that would include LZ.   If you define Progressive Rock close to mainstream Rock, it can be difficult to see the difference - which would be not good for Progressive Rock.

Agreed. I'm saying it is possible to define progressive rock wide enough for innovative bands like Led Zeppelin to qualify, but I don't think it would be useful to do so as it would expand the definition to encompass many other bands. Still, if someone made a good case for it, I would be open to consider it. After all, Zeppelin was quite avant-garde for their time and even experimental at times. Songs like Kashmir, No Quarter, Carouselambra, Stairway to Heaven and Achilles Last Stand sound proggy to me, though they may not represent their repertoire as a whole.

Guldbamsen wrote: Led Zeppelin were one of the very first rock acts to be called progressive

Edited by David_D - March 11 2022 at 06:01

Cristi wrote: Dazed & Confused Rain Song Kashmir In the Light  Achilles Last Stand  Carouselambra just a few examples of prog Zeppelin

David_D wrote: Guldbamsen wrote: Led Zeppelin were one of the very first rock acts to be called progressive <div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">According to Edward Macan: Rocking the Classics. English Progressive Rock and the Counterculture . Oxford University Press 1997, page 26, 27: <div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> <div style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">"A word should be said at this point about the term "progressive rock" itself. In the mid- to late 1960's, this term was appropriated by the underground radio stations and applied to psychedelic music in general; the label was used to distinguish music of this type from the pop music of the pre-psychedelic era. <span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">Around 1970, however, the term "progressive rock" came to have a more specific meaning, signifying a style that sought to expand the boundaries of rock on both a stylistic basis (via the use of longer and more involved structural formats) and on a conceptual basis (via the treatment of epic subject matter), mainly through the appropriation of elements associated with classical music. It is this new, more specific application of the term which is clearly intended in the liner notes of </span><span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">Caravan's debut LP of 1969</span><span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">: "Caravan belong to a new breed of progressive rock groups - freeing themselves from the restricting conventions of pop music by using unusual time signatures and sophisticated harmonies. Their arrangements involve variations of tempo and dynamics of almost symphonic complexity."</span>"

I’ve read Macan’s book before and find it an interesting read. It is however a book written after the fact with a clear intent of creating a box that encompasses what Macan himself believes to constitute prog rock. It is however a rather narrow point of view and as such leaves out a lot of genuinely progressive rock music from around the same time.
There are also books that discuss the advent of prog rock with the likes of Sgt Pepper and/or Freak Out!

Personally I feel all of this is moot by this point and doesn’t really add to anything other than music history buffs that want something tangible and true to hang prog rock, the term, upon…which is futile and wholly dependant on the individual and how he or she hears music.
All music genres are quite diffuse at heart…if one actually takes some time off to listen to the music. The boxes are pretty cool when used as a means to find more music of a certain kind…other than that I personally find them to be more divisive than helpful.

Edited by Guldbamsen - March 11 2022 at 07:31

Got +/- 50 to 60 of the listed opus + All Led Zeppelin

I've got a "new" idea for explanation of the fact that some albums become highest rated and can keep on being that for 

Edited by David_D - August 11 2022 at 14:14

Philchem8 wrote: David_D wrote: Philchem8 wrote: However, I think it is certainly possible to justify a definition of prog-rock that would include LZ.   If you define Progressive Rock close to mainstream Rock, it can be difficult to see the difference - which would be not good for Progressive Rock. Agreed. I'm saying it is possible to define progressive rock wide enough for innovative bands like Led Zeppelin to qualify, but I don't think it would be useful to do so as it would expand the definition to encompass many other bands. Still, if someone made a good case for it, I would be open to consider it. After all, Zeppelin was quite avant-garde for their time and even experimental at times. Songs like Kashmir, No Quarter, Carouselambra, Stairway to Heaven and Achilles Last Stand sound proggy to me, though they may not represent their repertoire as a whole.

suitkees wrote: David_D wrote: If you define Progressive Rock close to mainstream Rock, it can be difficult to see the difference - which would be not good for Progressive Rock. To my knowledge, genre definitions have never influenced artistic creation (be it music or other artistic expressions). Music influences music, and different artistic works can influence other artistic works, even crossing artistic expressions (i.e. films can inspire music, music can inspire paintings, literature can inspire music, etc.). I really think you are radically overestimating the importance of "genre definitions" regarding their influence on artistic expression itself: it is not the definitions that influence artistic works, it is the artistic works that influence other artistic works (which, in turn, may lead to and/or reformulate a genre definition...). Genres are by nature very ill defined and never have clear boundaries (and definitely no static boundaries). Trying to come to rigid definitions will lead to include or exclude works that we would intuitively exclude/include.

David_D wrote: I've got a "new" idea for explanation of the fact that some albums become highest rated and can keep on being that for  a long/very long period of time. That is of course due to many reasons, but I think that an important one may be that  those albums are able to resonate well with a large/very large number of people, and they can keep on doing that for  many years while the mainstream music meantime can go through many changes.  Or if "resonating" is not exactly an explanation, it is what can be said about these highest rated albums, meaning, they are the best resonating ones.