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lazland
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JD, I come from a British trade union background. The word comrade to us is to describe brothers, sisters, friends, fellow workers, people in pain, people we associate with, children who are suffering……..I could go on and on. To me, it is not a political word, but a humanitarian one. Yes, I know that might seem an oxymoron when talking about a trade union, but that is, in fact, one of the reasons I am no longer a trade unionist, and one of the reasons I disdain a lot of politics and try not to go there either here, or on my website. I am more interested in the humanity which binds us. Hopefully, that explains my use of that word.
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I understood the 'context' ie: Comrade in Arms, it just that comrade is just SO Russian or Soviet that attaching it to Ukraine was more of an Oxymoron on steroids to these old tired eyes. It wasn't a slight, just an observation.
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nick_h_nz
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And yet, historically, it is not at all. We don’t have a problem with the word camaraderie, which has the same Latin root from the Iberian camarada, which means, pretty much, “mate”, and used the way “mate” is throughout the UK, Australia and NZ, etc. In Germany, kamerad was simply a term for people who shared the same interest. It was through revolutions that comrade took on the more militaristic and socialist overtones, but again this was neither Russian nor Soviet. Beginning with the usage of citoyen/ne (citizen) in the French Revolution, to bring everyone to the same level, regardless of class or background, by the revolutions sweeping through Europe in the middle of the 19th century, comrade was being used in a similar egalitarian way, more particularly now to identify allies to a cause. That is the way the word is viewed in most parts of the world, still, and especially among those with a trade union background, or voters for left wing parties, etc. The idea that comrade is a Russian/soviet thing is largely down to, as is so often the case, the media. In my experience, the US views comrade as Russian/Soviet more than other Western nations. I remember when I called someone comrade while briefly living and working in the US, that their reaction was quite surprising to me. At first appearing shocked, they then appeared to decide I was making a joke, and started speaking in a mock Russian accent. I wonder if it is because the US doesn’t really have a left wing party, so much as right wing party, and a centrist party (that often appears to still be more inclined to the right wing anyway), and no strong trade unions. That and McCarthyism, etc., have led to comrade being seen as only a Russian/Soviet thing. I have had a US friend try to argue with me that comrade is like the swastika, and that it doesn’t matter how long the swastika has been a peaceful symbol, because once it was subverted Nazis, it will forever be associated first and foremost as a Nazi symbol. And perhaps, in the US, comrade is now first and foremost regarded as a Russian/Soviet word. While in Europe (and other countries such as New Zealand, on the other side of the world, who tend towards European rather than US norms), comrade is recognised more simply as someone with whom we have shared interests, and/or are mates with. I could, of course, be completely wrong. I can see why some people might have thought Steve’s use of the word is odd, but I can honestly say that the thought never occurred to me until JD brought it up. |
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^And, yes, I’m aware that JD has Canada as his location, but I was not meaning him when I was talking about the US. Perhaps I should have said North America, but I hope my point is understood.
I guess what we need to see, is how a Ukrainian feels about the use of the word. I might ask one or two I know, because I definitely would not want to unintentionally offend them, if I described Ukrainians as comrades the way Steve has. |
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^I certainly get the etymology of the word and agree with your comparison to the swastika. These things do have a tendency to get associated with their worse meaning rather than their best. The difference between how Comrade and Camaraderie are perceived, at least in my limited experience, are stark. I see that happening with other words like Groomer. It used to be that if you said someone was a groomer you immediately thought of dogs or horses. But now...well, I think you get my point. Word association moves the needle on interpretation in today's society.
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Not to get too political, when I was a misguided youth who thought that socialism would save the world, nothing made me feel better than being addressed as comrade. Now I cringe upon reflection. OK, back to the beer and ale!
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lazland
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Top Ten Albums of 2014 added to Top Ten Albums By Year page, a damned fine year actually.
Photo of Beltain Festival added to News Page. I am hoping to have an exciting and interesting exclusive interview posted in the forthcoming days. Details to follow.
Edited by lazland - May 02 2022 at 09:35 |
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Another enjoyable romp through the Lazland achieves, Steve. I'm quite taken with album by one man band Pareidoliving, who seems to do Bowie better than Bowie at times! Jolly good stuff!
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^ One man band, t (aka Thomas Thielen).
I love his music, which I came to via his Anti-Matter Poetry album. I’ve bought every album since, plus those that came before, and also his Clouds Can album (where he was one of a two man band). He seems to get better with every album, which seems an impossible feat, as every time I think he can’t possibly beat the previous one. 😄 |
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Thanks Steve. Yes, he is a genius, and that album is fantastic. Keep looking for potentially some more stuff from him shortly.
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Yes, I have been listening to him a lot lately. Really strong stuff.
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Well, hopefully I will also have you and others hooked on a band who are not on PA when I post a couple of reviews later on this evening. In the meantime, though, I am glad you like t. He really is something special and I can’t see anything beating Pareidoliving for number one of 2022.
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Review of new albums by Moon Halo and Knight Area uploaded to Album Reviews of 2022 Page.
Moon Halo are, for some rather inexplicable reason, not on Prog Archives. It is a project by Marc Atkinson of Riversea and Iain Jennings of Mostly Autumn, and features guests from those bands and the wonderful Anne-Marie Helder. It is a sublime album, so please enjoy the review and go and get it. By the way, I have been asked by a couple of friends whether I receive any endorsements, or fees, or any form of reward on my website. The answer is no. It is a labour of love. It is simply for mine and others to enjoy independent from adverts or any form of "reward". Where I have been provided with a cd to review, I make this clear as I always did on PA. In fact, I have not received any samples in 2022 thus far. There is also a new restaurant review on the Beer & News Page. Plus, a wonderful Video Of The Week on the front page. It is Judie Tzuke's Bully, one of the finest pieces of music ever recorded. Enjoy
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Reviews of new Magnum, Winter In Eden, and Electric Mud added to Album Reviews 2022 page.
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Thanks Steve. Sue likes Winter In Eden... I think the 'new' album has only been 8 years in the making! I remember taking her to see them in Brum back in 2016, when they played a couple of tracks from their forthcoming album... this must be it, then!
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It is apparently! It’s a really good album, so enjoy!
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Damn, I just saw this now! Better late than never! Buona fortuna Laz! I am IN...of course
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Goodness me, that takes me back... I remember seeing her in Southport (of all places) over 20 years ago, when she was touring that album..
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I'll pass on your considerations when she gets home tomorrow afternoon.. incidentally, I wonder whether this had been brought to your attention: it's just down the road from the wonderful Castell Coch; you could both go and enjoy some Victorian gothic in the afternoon, a meal out then a good gig?? just a thought..
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