"Progressive Punk", a new sub-genre on PA? |
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Always thought of them as opposites, punk being stereo-typically simple, compared the seemingly vast complexity of prog, but after all, what do I know?
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David_D
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After second thought, it seems to me that the best starting point for a new subgenre is "Punk Prog meets Prog Punk". I still find neither "Pronk" nor "Post-Progressive" enough good names for it, and I think we should invent a new one. It's just about being creative enough. What do you think, guys?
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times are a changin'
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I think that the punk and prog aspects of the music of Cardiacs is somewhat heterogenous. However, there is also what I think of as "carnival music" which could be what a homogeneous combination of punk and prog sounds like. But I think that if homogeneity is not a requirement, any two or more genres of music can be combined. It is only homogeneity that prevents mutually exclusive genres from being combined. |
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I mean, what's next, prog country? Don't tell me that's a thing now.
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"You know what you are, you don't give a damn" Peter Gabriel
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It is a term used but not in the way you would expect. |
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Bluegrass is a form of country and can be prog.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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David_D
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By the way, if anybody could be interested in the origins of the American Punk scene, I can very much recommend the book From the Velvets to the Voidoids. A Pre-Punk History for the Post-Punk World by Clinton Heylin, with, among many others, portraits of the Velvet Underground, The Stooges, Patti Smith, Television, The Ramones, Talking Heads and Pere Ubu.
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More labels, more offshoots ? At this rate, soon Prog will take over Socialism with the most sub-genres ever.
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right???.... don't we already have enough prog type genres? we just love to label and classify the hell out of things here don't we?
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siLLy puPPy
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Prog isn't nearly as adaptable as metal. At this point metal has probably hybridized with more genres than prog and metal is still growing at exponential rates WITH prog thus making prog metal the current champion of both prog AND metal. Unfortunately socialism always fails with dictatorships so it seems that prog and metal will outlast any political system!
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John Collinge of the now defunct Progression magazine once said "Prog is prog , you will know it when you hear it" ...Labelling and slicing/dicing the bane of the 21st century
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Well, there are certainly some pluses connected with doing it, both for the musicians and fans/aficionados. And people have different approach to the music they listen to, for some is it very giving to analyze it, for others not.
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Hitherto unfortunately yes, but it's a great vision, as I see it - and I'd say, we surely need visions the way things are nowadays.
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Sorry, tszirmay, but that doesn't seem to have much depth, as it's very very subjective, and what if somebody just don't know what Prog is considered to be?
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Sorry, David D but your reply is OBVIOUS in general terms , I was specifically targeting the need (or impulse) to pigeon-hole EVERYTHING, and stick an often dubious label on it. A zebra is not a white horse with black stripes one day and a black horse with white stripes the next , ITS a zebra
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So, do you mean that in some cases it's best without trying any description whatever there might be a need for it?
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^ he means some people exaggerate classifying and categorizing.
Which reminds me of this funny old meme |
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- But I guess that I only can say again: People have different needs, it's as simple as that, and as long as we don't bother each other, it should be okay.
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