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Lewian

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 14:28

Atavachron wrote:

And what of old man Joe, certainly lucid but a few steps away from a stroke with an unpopular Harris behind him?

What's wrong with Harris? (Asking as European without any clue...)

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 14:39

Lewian wrote:

Atavachron wrote:

And what of old man Joe, certainly lucid but a few steps away from a stroke with an unpopular Harris behind him?

What's wrong with Harris? (Asking as European without any clue...)

I think she comes across as kind of cold, also sort of opportunistic and self serving. I don't think people hate her, but I've never known anyone to be particularly enthusiastic about her. I don't think she really stands for anything issue wise.

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 14:43

You nailed it. She's not personable. Kind of a scaled down Hilary.

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 15:14

Easy Money wrote:

The wild card for 2024 is Adam Kinzinger, a conservative repub who does not want trump back in the white house. I believe a big reason he is not running for the house again is because he wants to concentrate on stopping trump in 2024. If Liz Cheney loses her seat because of trump, then there is a good chance you will see what's left of the Bush/Cheney group to go against trump as well. We shall see.

I'd actually consider voting for Kinzinger, even if Biden or Harris runs. The man won my everlasting respect with a fireworks display of integrity we rarely see in politics... or in business or academia or journalism. Cheney too for that matter. If conservatives like that run for the nomination they'll be Trump's [or his toady whoever that ends up being] biggest problem, and would likely beat Biden/Harris or any other dem for Prez.

Edited by Atavachron - November 03 2021 at 15:18

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 15:19

Atavachron wrote:

Easy Money wrote:

The wild card for 2024 is Adam Kinzinger, a
conservative repub who does not want trump back in the white house. I
believe a big reason he is not running for the house again is because he
wants to concentrate on stopping trump in 2024. If Liz Cheney loses her
seat because of trump, then there is a good chance you will see what's
left of the Bush/Cheney group to go against trump as well. We shall
see.

I'd actually consider voting for Kinzinger,
even if Biden or Harris runs. The man won my everlasting respect with a
fireworks display of integrity we rarely see in politics... or in
business or academia or journalism. Cheney too for that matter. If conservatives like that run for the nomination they'll be Trump's [or his toady whoever that ends up being] biggest problem, not Biden/Harris or any other dem.

I hope you're right.

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 15:28

Atavachron wrote:

Easy Money wrote:

The wild card for 2024 is Adam Kinzinger, a
conservative repub who does not want trump back in the white house. I
believe a big reason he is not running for the house again is because he
wants to concentrate on stopping trump in 2024. If Liz Cheney loses her
seat because of trump, then there is a good chance you will see what's
left of the Bush/Cheney group to go against trump as well. We shall
see.

I'd actually consider voting for Kinzinger,
even if Biden or Harris runs. The man won my everlasting respect with a
fireworks display of integrity we rarely see in politics... or in
business or academia or journalism. Cheney too for that matter. If conservatives like that run for the nomination they'll be Trump's [or his toady whoever that ends up being] biggest problem, and would likely beat Biden/Harris or any other dem for Prez.

Yes, he is a bright glimmer of hope right now and I think he is determined to bring trump down. Lets hope he can do it. Right now I'm pretty much okay with anyone being president from any party, just not trump or any of trump's boot licks either.

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 15:33

Some interesting stats, %60 of americans don't want trump to run and 40% of repubs don't want him to run either.
Over %50 of dems don't want sleepy joe to run.
Obviously the last thing this country wants is another hollywood donald vs sleepy joe election.
A really strong outsider could beat them both.

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 15:35

I feel like Harris was given a poison chalice when Biden made her the face of his immigration policy. There's just no way that any Democrat with that portfolio could please anyone.

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 16:22

SteveG wrote:

You nailed it. She's not personable. Kind of a scaled down Hilary.

Is it the prosecutor in her that just has that hard shell, needing to keep that 'attack dog' persona at bay might not be working for her.

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 18:02

^ Its called charisma, trump has it, so does Bernie Sanders. Also Obama, Reagan, Bill Clinton and George W, but not George Sr.

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 18:58

I think Biden had charisma. (For 80 year olds). No malarkey.

Edited by SteveG - November 03 2021 at 19:00

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 19:08

^ Yeah, I saw that campaign bus that said "No Malarkey" in big letters. Who the hell says malarkey any more.

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 19:23

I love how the Right take a very close win as legit, but when they lose somehow it's fraud and they transform into a bunch of crying children. At least when the Dems lose they take it in stride and choose not to embroil the country in a bunch of psychotic bullsh*t.

What an empty, soulless party of wimps.

Edited by Atavachron - November 03 2021 at 19:24

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 19:41

^ So that high ranking repub in Virginia (Amanda Chase) the other day said the election was rigged, and then they won. I wonder what she is saying now.

Edited by Easy Money - November 03 2021 at 19:44

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Posted: November 03 2021 at 20:00

Wimps.

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Posted: November 04 2021 at 05:23

Apparently the other day there were 100s of Qanon followers waiting in the streets of Dallas for JFK Jr. to show up and become Trump's running mate in 2024.

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Posted: November 04 2021 at 05:30

^ Yes, they think he faked his death by shooting a body double in the head, in order to travel to the next solar system with aliens. He will return in 2024 when his spacecraft returns from Alpha Centuri, which is 20,000 light years from home.

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Posted: November 04 2021 at 05:35

Never ceases to amaze me...

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Posted: November 04 2021 at 08:08

If "Q" was an anti-trump prankster he couldn't be doing a better job.

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Posted: November 04 2021 at 13:28

Small group but this may give a little insight as to why some Democrats are either switching sides or seriously considering it. Roughly 80% of my wife’s and my friends are Democrats, same for our relatives. More than half of them either switched sides or are seriously considering it. Several reasons for this…

Division is a major one. Trump was definitely not a unifier and Biden with the current administration is even worse. The best weapon to impart division is fear. This tactic is constantly being reinforced by the media.

Unsympathetic and heartless were qualities usually more subscribed towards Republicans. Not anymore…

Censorship… Censoring those with views that don’t follow a narrative is not what a free society does.

Advocating for science and critical thought was more predisposed in Democrats; this seems to have been lost.

There are several coworkers that are Democrats which have similar concerns:

Coercion

Censorship

Division via fear tactic

Unsympathetic

Shoddy science