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Posted: October 17 2021 at 15:49

My appreciation of art is generally ad hoc.

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 15:07

I'm fine with the thread. I think I understand well what Shadowyzard is going on about. Actually one principle of my art appreciation is to try to figure out what's in it, how it can talk to me, how can I take something valuable from it, which is a quite different question from "do I like it or not", as it is from "is it objectively good, a masterpiece, whatever?" I approached this thread in the same way and it spoke to me.

Except that a creative artist probably wouldn't worry that much about provoking, baffling, putting off people. You don't need that either! In my view you can stand by your thread and its idea even in the face of some who don't get it. (You may even ask, what's in what they write for you? How can they contribute to making this thread a collaborative artwork?)

PS: I'm totally not joking.

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 14:41

I created a thread entitled "Albums That Help You Drift Off". I'm perfectly aware that lots of people sleep without listening to music.

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 14:38

^ No. There's not such an issue. I don't/didn't believe so. If you don't have such principles, you either don't participate, or state your lack of principles like mine.

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 14:35

I think the issue here is that @Shadowyzard believes everyone has principles that define these sorts of activities in their lives. Because I don't, I guess I'm not able to articulate what's he's asking sufficiently enough.

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 14:34

JD wrote:

Shadowyzard wrote:

^ Principle has multiple meanings. I'd rather not discuss.

Well now I'm totally confused.

You started the "discussion". Now you'd rather not.

Ok.

I guess if Full Stop is invoked I'll leave with this...

I find the very concept of a structured belief system having any proximity to art unfathomable. i couldn't live with such restrictions.

The full stop was about not creating such a thread again. I didn't start "the discussion". As is obvious.

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 14:32

Shadowyzard wrote:

Full stop. I'll never create such a thread again.

I think the thread title is rather confusing. Maybe rephrase it or give a further explanation of what do you expect we discuss here.

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 14:29

Shadowyzard wrote:

^ Principle has multiple meanings. I'd rather not discuss.

Well now I'm totally confused.

You started the "discussion". Now you'd rather not.

Ok.

I guess if Full Stop is invoked I'll leave with this...

I find the very concept of a structured belief system having any proximity to art unfathomable. i couldn't live with such restrictions.

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 14:27

Full stop. I'll never create such a thread again.

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 14:27

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Sorry, what? This all sounds rather awkward... "Principles regarding art appreciation" sounds to me like dogmas about how art should be appreciated. As soon as one dresses up "principles" for that I don't think his/her appreciation can still be considered genuine... It is not about appreciation anymore, but about conforming to norms (whatever those may be).

And then, when someone replies with some kind of completely anti-dogmatic principle you dismiss his reply? And when someone lays bare your implicit principles, you don't want to discuss them. What's this all about then?

So let's be fair and honest. That someone NEVER accepts that he is wrong about anything. He only drops by to criticize negatively, question angrily/hastily. Did you ever see him appreciating anything of mine? I have a good memory. I never have.

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 14:24

I guess I'll not create such threads again. But let me make myself clear.

MY principles means, MY dogmas; if they are counted as dogmas for some. No problem. The title is quite clear that I asked people's principles, not to adhere to mine. You may not have such principles, fine. Totally cool with me. Am I seen like I'm gonna punish people who don't have such principles? Confused

I appreciate that other people like stuff that I find worthless. Everyone of us need to have fun. I totally respect that. But this never changes my view on the artworks. As I clearly explained earlier.

Anyway, that's all folks.

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 14:17

Shadowyzard wrote:

Logan wrote:

i value being able to appreciate and seeing or finding value in art without liking it. And that just because you like something doesn't make it inherently good, and just because something is bad for you does not make it objectively bad. I like what I like now for a whole host of reasons,, and what wouldn't appeal to now may appeal at some other time, and what appeals today might not appeal tomorrow. I tend to value growth and change when it comes to appreciation and perspectives.

Good musing. But I disagree. I might like something, with also being disturbed by it. The movie Martyrs is a good example to that. Being impactful is also a good asset. I, for example, don't like Quentin Tarantino's movies except for Inglorious Basterds. I really see nothing in them worth "liking". Also the band Tool. I really think it is nothing special. Fibonacci numbers, my ass...

I might also like something while being disturbed by it, not getting your point there. You don't have to see what others like in something, but at least hopefully you can appreciate that others do, that it connects with th somehow, and that they are not wrong to like it (or not necessarily wrong). I like Tarantino films, especially Kill Bill and Jackie Brown, but that doesn't mean that I would expect others to appreciate those. Not saying that I will find value in all art but I appreciate the process of finding value and that we are all unique and each person's experience of art will be unique as we each have unique brains and experiences. That I can appreciate. At one time I might value and appreciate an arthouse film particularly, and at another time a shlocky z grade horror film. Some things I will never appreciate or value.

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 14:16

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Posted: October 17 2021 at 14:08

^ Principle has multiple meanings. I'd rather not discuss.

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