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I normally "wait" to be adequate/mature enough. Well, it means I constantly better myself, and I pickily entertain myself with artworks that are higher than my intellectual/language level. If I happen to choose something that is interesting but too sophisticated, I wait for the right time to enjoy it. If I don't do so; I neither enjoy/understand the art pieces, nor appreciate them justly/properly enough.

Oh BTW, I never value anything purely because some charismatic/intellectual people do so; nor do I discredit something outrightly because it is a classic/masterpiece. Also, I'm not affected by the tastes of the artists whom I admire. If something is good/bad per se, for my liking; it remains so.
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Art...Principles??? Those are mutually exclusive terms in my mind. The whole concept of art is No Principles.
How else could an artist break through the social complacency?
The question seems moot.
Like most people, I would imagine, I know what I like when I see/hear/feel it.
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i value being able to appreciate and seeing or finding value in art without liking it.  And that just because you like something doesn't make it inherently good, and just because something is bad for you does not make it objectively bad.  I like what I like now for a whole host of reasons,, and what wouldn't appeal to now may appeal at some other time, and what appeals today might not appeal tomorrow.  I tend to value growth and change when it comes to appreciation and perspectives.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Art...Principles??? Those are mutually exclusive terms in my mind. The whole concept of art is No Principles.
How else could an artist break through the social complacency?
The question seems moot.
Like most people, I would imagine, I know what I like when I see/hear/feel it.


Read my title again, please.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

i value being able to appreciate and seeing or finding value in art without liking it.  And that just because you like something doesn't make it inherently good, and just because something is bad for you does not make it objectively bad.  I like what I like now for a whole host of reasons,, and what wouldn't appeal to now may appeal at some other time, and what appeals today might not appeal tomorrow.  I tend to value growth and change when it comes to appreciation and perspectives.

Good musing. But I disagree. I might like something, with also being disturbed by it. The movie Martyrs is a good example to that. Being impactful is also a good asset. I, for example, don't like Quentin Tarantino's movies except for Inglorious Basterds. I really see nothing in them worth "liking". Also the band Tool. I really think it is nothing special. Fibonacci numbers, my ass...

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It should be clear by now...I have few real principles. LOL
But same rules apply. There are NO PRINCIPLES involved.
I appreciate art of EVERY kind. It's just a matter of degree.
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

i value being able to appreciate and seeing or finding value in art without liking it.  And that just because you like something doesn't make it inherently good, and just because something is bad for you does not make it objectively bad.  I like what I like now for a whole host of reasons,, and what wouldn't appeal to now may appeal at some other time, and what appeals today might not appeal tomorrow.  I tend to value growth and change when it comes to appreciation and perspectives.

Good musing. But I disagree. I might like something, with also being disturbed by it. The movie Martyrs is a good example to that. Being impactful is also a good asset. I, for example, don't like Quentin Tarantino's movies except for Inglorious Basterds. I really see nothing in them worth "liking". Also the band Tool. I really think it is nothing special. Fibonacci numbers, my ass...
So, if you wouldn't mind...what are the PRINCIPLES you are, what, utilizing/referring to?
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^ I don't stick to my principles every time, but I do have them quite a few.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

i value being able to appreciate and seeing or finding value in art without liking it.  And that just because you like something doesn't make it inherently good, and just because something is bad for you does not make it objectively bad.  I like what I like now for a whole host of reasons,, and what wouldn't appeal to now may appeal at some other time, and what appeals today might not appeal tomorrow.  I tend to value growth and change when it comes to appreciation and perspectives.

Good musing. But I disagree. I might like something, with also being disturbed by it. The movie Martyrs is a good example to that. Being impactful is also a good asset. I, for example, don't like Quentin Tarantino's movies except for Inglorious Basterds. I really see nothing in them worth "liking". Also the band Tool. I really think it is nothing special. Fibonacci numbers, my ass...
So, if you wouldn't mind...what are the PRINCIPLES you are, what, utilizing/referring to?

Please read my original post, if you haven't done that already.
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And specifically pertaining to art...they would be?
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^ Sorry what?
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Are you saying that these are your Art Appreciation Principles?
The "fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning" that guides/determines your art experience?

-"wait" to be adequate/mature enough
-artworks that are higher than my intellectual/language level
-wait for the right time to enjoy
-never value anything purely because some charismatic/intellectual people do so
-nor do I discredit something outrightly because it is a classic/masterpiece
-I'm not affected by the tastes of the artists whom I admire
-If something is good/bad per se, for my liking; it remains so


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^ Principle has multiple meanings. I'd rather not discuss.
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Sorry, what? This all sounds rather awkward... "Principles regarding art appreciation" sounds to me like dogmas about how art should be appreciated. As soon as one dresses up "principles" for that I don't think his/her appreciation can still be considered genuine... It is not about appreciation anymore, but about conforming to norms (whatever those may be).

And then, when someone replies with some kind of completely anti-dogmatic principle you dismiss his reply? And when someone lays bare your implicit principles, you don't want to discuss them. What's this all about then?

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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

i value being able to appreciate and seeing or finding value in art without liking it.  And that just because you like something doesn't make it inherently good, and just because something is bad for you does not make it objectively bad.  I like what I like now for a whole host of reasons,, and what wouldn't appeal to now may appeal at some other time, and what appeals today might not appeal tomorrow.  I tend to value growth and change when it comes to appreciation and perspectives.

Good musing. But I disagree. I might like something, with also being disturbed by it. The movie Martyrs is a good example to that. Being impactful is also a good asset. I, for example, don't like Quentin Tarantino's movies except for Inglorious Basterds. I really see nothing in them worth "liking". Also the band Tool. I really think it is nothing special. Fibonacci numbers, my ass...

I might also like something while being disturbed by it, not getting your point there.  You don't have to see what others like in something, but at least hopefully you can appreciate that others do, that it connects with th somehow, and that they are not wrong to like it (or not necessarily wrong).  I like Tarantino films, especially Kill Bill and Jackie Brown, but that doesn't mean that I would expect others to appreciate those.  Not saying that I will find value in all art but I appreciate the process of finding value and that we are all unique and each person's experience of art will be unique as we each have unique brains and experiences. That I can appreciate.   At one time I might value and appreciate an arthouse film particularly, and at another time a shlocky z grade horror film.  Some things I will never appreciate or value.
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I guess I'll not create such threads again. But let me make myself clear.

MY principles means, MY dogmas; if they are counted as dogmas for some. No problem. The title is quite clear that I asked people's principles, not to adhere to mine. You may not have such principles, fine. Totally cool with me. Am I seen like I'm gonna punish people who don't have such principles? Confused

I appreciate that other people like stuff that I find worthless. Everyone of us need to have fun. I totally respect that. But this never changes my view on the artworks. As I clearly explained earlier.

Anyway, that's all folks. 
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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Sorry, what? This all sounds rather awkward... "Principles regarding art appreciation" sounds to me like dogmas about how art should be appreciated. As soon as one dresses up "principles" for that I don't think his/her appreciation can still be considered genuine... It is not about appreciation anymore, but about conforming to norms (whatever those may be).

And then, when someone replies with some kind of completely anti-dogmatic principle you dismiss his reply? And when someone lays bare your implicit principles, you don't want to discuss them. What's this all about then?

So let's be fair and honest. That someone NEVER accepts that he is wrong about anything. He only drops by to criticize negatively, question angrily/hastily. Did you ever see him appreciating anything of mine? I have a good memory. I never have.
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Full stop. I'll never create such a thread again.
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

^ Principle has multiple meanings. I'd rather not discuss.
Well now I'm totally confused. ConfusedYou started the "discussion". Now you'd rather not.
Ok.
I guess if Full Stop is invoked I'll leave with this...
I find the very concept of a structured belief system having any proximity to art unfathomable. i couldn't live with such restrictions.


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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Full stop. I'll never create such a thread again.

I think the thread title is rather confusing. Maybe rephrase it or give a further explanation of what do you expect we discuss here. 
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