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It's not killed the internet, it's just revealed what a bunch of t0ssers most people are..
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

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Though PA quite actively contributed to its own downfall with the Captcha disaster; one thing Facebook cannot be blamed for for sure.


I'm not sure that Captcha is the problem itself ... the bad call there is that some "admins" decided to put this on, BEFORE they even played with it, to realize that it had massive errors and would not respond honestly and truthfully to the clicks you made, and changed its completeness of each "page" on the fly, which made it harder to get it right ... for you to get a post in, or whatever the situation.

We had this before at the ISP I did technical support for, when there was a "new thing" that they put on the mail server to help with spams, and specially the viagra's and the ones from Africa spoofs, and a week later they had a massive backlog with businesses and customers complaining about the slowness of the mail server, and "admins" going around saying how safe it was and that those baddies were not getting through ... actually they were, but not as many ... the product had not been tested properly and it was "assumed" that it would do the job ... and the end result was a whole bunch of businesses quit and went somewhere else, and other folks got DSL to tell the ISP to get lost, because it was behaving like an amateur that did not know its butt from its doodle!

But I would think that there are other more pressing issues than Captcha that are a problem, and having to rely on volunteers to help keep things together is not a great way to do business ... and the information and databasse stuff will remain just that ... a database of letters, words and numbers ... and what they say, is likely to be forgotten and lost since no one can organize it, or help look for a proper and clean definition that makes sense MUSICALLY, instead of saying that it has to have a bass, a this and a that, and sound like Genesis or ELP ... which is the least musical of all suggestions, and the least educated option of all!

It's possible that folks that are "less educated" would not like this place if it were too smart and clever and all that, but in the end, you don't see the trolling around on classical music and the older materials, which kinda tells you that the majority of posting folks are just BORED and feel like they have to say something, be it important or not, or at least try to find out who their favorite guitarist is, and they have not heard more than 5 of them!

However, social media is not all kids and uneducated folks ... there are a lot of very interesting and great folks there, with the only concern (twitter is an example) of folks creating 10 different Marlon Brando sites with nearly the same name, and ... I would prefer that they locked that down, and kill the copykats, instead of believing that "freedom of speech" means you can create @marlonbrandon as an example!

My feeling is that too many of these sites are run by folks that are not "artists" as would be the case for PA, and as such, their appreciation and desire to have something is likely to be based on their favorites, since they don't know "art" from a "tomato" picture in your kitchen ... or better yet ... an Andi Warhol picture of a soup can! If you don't get the irony, then you know what I am talking about!

Lastly ... PA is OK and has been fine, and there are a lot of great folks here. We're just way too weird and stupid to know how to have a cup of tea or a beer at the local bar ... well here in Portland we have those funny beers ... supposedly they are healthier than that water crap!
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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

I think what killed the internet was when PC's and operating systems became simple enough for any old f*ckwit to use the internet. 

So they did. 

The internet would be OK if there was a shallow deep end and a very deep end.TongueLOL 
 
yup, and these stupid f**kwits started abounding when they could sign up to an asocial network and prove that they have some kind of real life...
 
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

vivoactive has a valid point though. This forum as well as others where I was or am active lose members and activity to Facebook and co., and as the TO I'm still a good old forums guy and Facebook etc. are not for me.
Though PA quite actively contributed to its own downfall with the Captcha disaster; one thing Facebook cannot be blamed for for sure.
 
Yeah, but well before Craptcha, PA had lost dozens if not hundreds of cool collabs and progheads for many different reasons (including internal fighting). Sure Craptha certainly did some damage, but I suspect that some will come back with time. I think most leavers will be one day remainers and are still lurking.
 
 
 
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Well, never did care for Twitter because of the Twitler infestation.  Facebook on the other hand.  I have no tolerance for idiots.  I ignore them as soon as they reveal themselves.  What I am left with are friends I've known personally.  Former coworkers.  Famility.  Friends with common interests that I haven't met in person and so I really do enjoy it.  Of course before deFacebook there was progarchives.  And I have made more than a few friends i haven't met in person but would certainly get together for lunch if they ever visit the Atlanta area.  One of my latest discoveries has been House of Prog.  I also do chat for The Bill Pres and Stephanie Miller shows.  So to answer the question for me, no it hasn't.
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Well, I don't think so. Facebook is Facebook. I even don't use it at all. I prefer niche forums and communities like this)
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No, but I expect some negative effect on the abundance of niche sites such as this one. Side-note: It's still easy to create forums, I would say, but it can be costly and too much work to be "worth it".

I'm not that into music forums other than this one, but that's partially because we can talk about more than music. If it was all music, I would have left long ago.

I do find there to be far fewer old-school forums/ bulletin boards than there used to be. Reddit is the big one when it comes to discussion forums, and sites like Quora are useful.

I'm not keen on sites such as Facebook or Twitter, but they have their uses.

My experience, and my experience is limited, has been that long-form deep "discussion", creativity, story-telling, and more elaborate forms of humour have lessened since my early days on the internet.   Before the advent of the popular social media sites of today, I was rather blaming it on the rise of topics such as "What are you eating and drinking right now?" which did tend to fit the burgeoning blogger communities way of sharing the most mundane/banal of things.

I used to find it much easier to find forums of interest to me on dedicated web sites (Reddit can cover most everything).   I've tried a few over the past decade, but most seem very insular and so cliquish that it's hard to join in. I don;t know how many niche forum sites are as welcoming to new people, and can have a wide variety of discussion, as this one. I found this site easy to get into discussion with people from the get go, and I don't think that's changed, In fact, I think it's more laid back now and a newbie may find it easier to feel accepted, tolerated and wanted now than then.

I doubt that most people who are into modern social media a la Twitter, Facebook and the like would have been drawn into forums that operate like this one, but I do think that they have had a negative impact on the creation of sites such as this one and have had an impact on long-form internet discussion.
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I mean where else would I get stuff like this? 
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There are many reasons to splurge and buy your followers. The benefits of being famous on Insta are endless. From free hotel breaks to free tickets to events, as long as you also encourage your followers, all this and more can be yours, and all you need is a few thousand followers! When you build your online empire, you do it intending to create publicity for yourself, building your brand, and making the most of your web pages - and here, https://famoid.com/buy-instagram-followers/ , they do the same for your Instagram account! If you've been slow to try to build your reputation, then we know how difficult it can be.


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Originally posted by florahope35 florahope35 wrote:

Well, I don't think so. Facebook is Facebook. I even don't use it at all. I prefer niche forums and communities like this)


I personally think that the so-called social media practically killed off the once very useful and popular one-to-one messaging apps such as Windows Live Messenger (aka MSN Messenger), AIM, YIM, ICQ etc (or at the very least contributed to a sharp downturn in their popularity).

I actually like Twitter but keep my account locked so avoiding most of the idiots on there. I am  very choosy as to who I let follow me unless I know you.  I tolerate Facebook, but only really use it for keeping in touch with remote family.

But otherwise forums are still the place to go for specialised/niche interests.


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I don't regard 'Social Media' as a thing. People hiding behind computers and pretending to have a thousand friends. A 10-13 year old kid gets hold of his parents log in details and then posts some racist attention seeking bullsh*t because he/she is bored to f**k and seeking attention. 
A small point but both my twenty somethings Nephew and Niece left social media. They dared to become Vegans and therefore earnt the right be trolled by a load of sad types who feel the need to big themselves up. In this day and age we need an outlet it seems.
Broadly the internet is always going to be a double edged sword. It can't be policed but in can be ignored if you switch your phone off. I feel so grateful to have grown in a world that didn't have it or mobile phones. My god how just did we cope at all!!


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Hi,

One of the things that the "internet" did was hurt the LOCAL communication that you had with your friends and such. All of a sudden you have friends and other folks to talk to, and because you haven't met them they seem more interesting and not the same as your now old friends.

Same thing happened in business ... remember the Barenaked Ladies song about why walk when you can take a limo? (... something like that ... ) ... well, guess what ... all the local stores only have the cheapest crap clothing and this and that, and you can get what you want, AND THE RIGHT SIZE, over the Internet.

That's a good thing. 

The bad? Well ... Hemingway used to say that dirt belongs under his feet ... and I tend to agree! And (really!) that is how I think of a lot of the social media websites!
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

What is 'social media' ?
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Originally posted by EmmaClarkS EmmaClarkS wrote:

There are many reasons to splurge and buy your followers. The benefits of being famous on Insta are endless. From free hotel breaks to free tickets to events, as long as you also encourage your followers, all this and more can be yours, and all you need is a few thousand followers! When you build your online empire, you do it intending to create publicity for yourself, building your brand, and making the most of your web pages - and here, https://famoid.com/buy-instagram-followers/ , they do the same for your Instagram account! If you've been slow to try to build your reputation, then we know how difficult it can be.

Thank you for that very informative post.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

What is 'social media' ?


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It seemed to kill message boards (not all, but most) and a lot of other things. It put a lot of sites out of business, forcing many to join that sh*t, but I've never had a single conversation on "social" media than I have on this site, or others like this.

They killed chat rooms, but there are a couple left, but I missed having a lot of choices.
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Originally posted by EmmaClarkS EmmaClarkS wrote:

There are many reasons to splurge and buy your followers. The benefits of being famous on Insta are endless. From free hotel breaks to free tickets to events, as long as you also encourage your followers, all this and more can be yours, and all you need is a few thousand followers! When you build your online empire, you do it intending to create publicity for yourself, building your brand, and making the most of your web pages - and here, https://famoid.com/buy-instagram-followers/ , they do the same for your Instagram account! If you've been slow to try to build your reputation, then we know how difficult it can be.


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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

You are aware I hope that forums like this are also social media?  Big smile


Well a lot of forums have moderation, which Twitt-Twątt and fessebouc (goatt's buttocks in franēais) don't (or didn't for a decade - still nort sure they have some. except Trump's case).
The problem with crap like fb is that this allowed many people to discover that they actually had a brain delivered at birth, but lost the owner's manual for decades (or can't read it)

Most specialised forum do allow some kind of leeway in terms of conversation, but few allow such freedom as PA does in terms of subjects opened. RYM's "open subject " forum was a permanent  war zone, for ex - haven't checked there in 10/12 years, though - because there was hardly any kind of moderation.

Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

I think what killed the internet was when PC's and operating systems became simple enough for any old f*ckwit to use the internet. 
So they did. 

The internet would be OK if there was a shallow end and a deep end. 


the net on which most music fans crowd in the the shallow end.

the deep end is the dark web


Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

If anything damaged the internet it is what is referred to as the Google Gestapo which includes Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Wikipedia, Amazon and several others which have lucritive CIA contracts to spread information, engage in censorship and construct a massive global surveillance state.


I'm having problems with your statement here.

Asocial networks allow all kinds of people spread major amounts of bullcrap, to the point that conspirationists have never been so many across the globe, especially on YT or fb or twitt-twątt.

Letting people building conspirations is hardly monolithic thought control and censorship . It's more like divide the masses for better control, but we know that doesn't work (Capitol invasion, for ex)



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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

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If anything damaged the internet it is what is referred to as the Google Gestapo which includes Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, Wikipedia, Amazon and several others which have lucrative CIA contracts to spread information, engage in censorship and construct a massive global surveillance state.
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Hi,

I'm not sure that this is fair at all.

While I have no issue with the very American thing about "free speech", in the end, when that phrase was discussed and culled, it did not have the "media" to deal with or know and understand. THUS, THE MEANING OF THE EXPRESSION WAS DEVISED FOR PERSONAL OPINIONS AND SPEECH, and not necessarily designed for a public orientation or discussion.

The internet, has pretty much made fun of these "personal" freedoms and are using the excuse to say things that otherwise would not be said other than to your friends. And this presents a problem ... it's sort of a message in a bottle delivered 300 years later with a suggestion that would no longer apply within a situation where all the public is involved. In those days, THE PUBLIC WASN'T INVOLVED.

I came from a country that was run by a Fascist ruler, and there, and Spain, many artists and folks with antigovernmental sentiment and artistic views (you don't know about the attempts to hide American and other European films and critics! Even kisses were cut from films!!! See Cinema Paradiso for an idea!) ... I have a good opinion on opposing thoughts and ideas, but as DE has on occasion corrected me (and rightly so!), the passing of false information for the sake of publicity is not desired and for people to be blindly following a false idea and philosophy ... when, will you, or them, come to grips that things got messed up instead?

I find that the false idolatry and ideals are not cool, and personally, you and I would not want them in power knowing darn well that all decisions would be haphazard and off the wall and not exactly well thought out and the political system corrupted to allow for these intrusions!

What is even more difficult, even though at the time in some countries it was confusing as heck with so many opinions, is the fact that America is two sided (left or right (so to speak) and there are no alternative views that any of the newspapers of media will show or discuss ... thus to everyone's dissatisfaction, a lot of these social media things end up becoming that alternative ... but one thing is not true ... that anything is better than what we have. There is no criteria possible to determine that, and I find some of the things done/said on social media as really sad, and pathetic attempts at getting their 15 minutes of fame and response.

The internet will survive and many of these things (including social media) will come and go ... and then on to something else, but it speaks volumes to the bunch of folks that have nothing better to say, than nothing!


Edited by moshkito - August 04 2021 at 07:44
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