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PJMarten
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Posted: April 29 2021 at 18:23 |
I love the King Crimson catalogue, however, it took me a while to get to their 80's albums (Discipline, Beat, Three of a Perfect Pair). They failed to impress me initially and I worked my way around this decade. Recently though, I gave these albums a more thorough listen and have gained a new appreciation for them. They are truly unique (just like all of King Crimson's albums really) and fun to listen to. Some of my favorite songs are Frame by Frame, Absent Lovers, and Dig Me. What are your thoughts on these albums and what are your favorite songs?
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JD
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Excellent albums for an 80's prog release period. I don't really have a favourite as I view them as a collective work of sorts. |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I haven't heard those albums in a long time. I'll need to revisit again. I think 3OAPP is very underrated. I hated it for the longest time before it finally clicked with me.
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Grumpyprogfan
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Belew brought new life and ideas to the table. "Discipline" is a classic.
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omphaloskepsis
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Sometimes, I have difficulty with Belew's vocals. That said, I like all three. Discipline is my favorite followed by Three of a Perfect Pair, then Beat.
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Progosopher
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Three great albums. I have always considered Discipline the best, but two of my favorite KC songs are on Beat - Neil and Jack and Me, and Sartori in Tangier. 3oaPP has Sleepless, of course.
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Heart of the Matter
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I think these albums sooner or later drag you to their own world, specially the first two. Matte Kudasai is the first song in the batch that started to feel like a classic to me.
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Little_Julian
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Imo, King Crimson’s “new wave” stuff from the 80s sounds quite dated
now. To these ears, KC' Sinfield-era is that period from which their
music is really beautiful, surreal, many-headed prog-rock puzzle that is
still uncanny and timeless.
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I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat...
Belew rules. I love 80's KC. Discipline is the best of the three (of a perfect pair).
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A Crimson Mellotron
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They are awesome listens when under stress
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Blacksword
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Probably my least favourite era of the band, but good albums nonetheless.
I don't think I have an overall favourite album from this era. There's some good tracks on each album. Frame by Frame Matte Kudasai Neal & Jack and me Sartori in Tangier Heartbeat Three of a perfect pair. There are probably new wave bands, who clearly influenced Fripp at this time, some of who I prefer to KC in the 80's, notably XTC. Edited by Blacksword - April 30 2021 at 05:48 |
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I don't like them but respect that the band was trying a different direction.
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Sean Trane
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The only one I still retain nowadays (the 40th anniv). I
find Beat fairly weak (it's a bit of a replay of Discipline with much
lesser compositions and no surprise) and I actually prefer Perfect Pair
to it. Yessssss, Belew certainly added that
Talking Heads edge to Crimson (he never recorded with TTH, but toured
with them in the extended line-up that finally gave the Stop making
Sense movie), but I still shuned them (Crimson) live back then - not
that I actually saw TTH either - other than through the Jonathan Demme
movie. The only thing Beat has really going for itself compared to the other two is that they theme up of Beat Poets (Sartori, Heartbeat, Neal Jack & Me, etc...) please note the colours +/- match the early albums (not sure it was meant that way, but it is coincidental) Red majority for Discipline & Court Blue for Beat and Poseidon Yellow for Pair and Lizard. TBH,
all I need from that line-up would be the Absent Lover live album
(check) or the Neal, Jack & Me DVD (still looking) from that line-up
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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I'm a big fan of that period. This was at the time when I properly got into music. I loved prog as far as I knew it but also quite a bit of new wave/post punk. I only had and knew Court of the Crimson King when I saw them live in 1982, and the totally blew me away. One of these moments when I heard music that was not only good but done in a way that I couldn't have imagined to be possible. The perfect synthesis of the sophistication of prog and the leaner new wave approach, with super original compositions, and top notch musicians. So much sharper than Court and the old stuff (which of course has its own qualities). I list Discipline among the best five albums of all time up to these days and would still give five stars to all three. Even the more straight and commercial stuff (Heartbeat, Sleepless) appeals to me. However recently I would list the instrumentals among my top favourites: The Sheltering Sky, Sartori in Tangier, Industry. Rarely mentioned but true monster tracks and less "KC by numbers" than some of the LTIA re-iterations (not that I don't like them).
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my least favorite KC period, I rarely listen to these three albums.
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my favorite track from these three albums is "Neurotica", followed by "Indiscipline"
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King Crimson has had many faces during their career, and they are all quite excellent, if you listen carefully and pay attention to the complexity of their compositions.
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I think 80's KC is pretty darn extraordinary - my favorite period of the band. The interlocking guitar madness is so delicious. Dig Me, Neurotica, Sartori in Tangier, Sleepless, Discipline, Indiscipline, Threee of a Perfect Pair, THE SHELTERING SKY, just so many amazing moments. When i first encountered this music it was so radically different from anything i had heard that I was confused - i remember asking the older brother of a friend of mine who played it for us, what kind of music is this? He said I don't know. I still feel that way about these songs - but i love them. I fairly quickly collected the catalogue, and started seeing them live during the double trio era, but these albums (and the Absent Lovers live album) are the pinnacle. Not knocking other eras - SABB, LTIA, Red are my second favorite set (LTIA and Red are like messages from a parallel reality), but there is a lot more 'filler' in the Court-Lizard era and Double Duo onwards era in my humble and perhaps erroneous opinion
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Wonderful stuff, Discipline is one of their best albums overall, really interesting stuff & Belew was an excellent add to the band. I find the other 2 a bit weaker.
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