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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I once had an argument with a woman who insisted Yes were not symphonic prog. I would like to know what she considers symphonic prog and who she does consider to be symph prog. They might not be the best example but that's usually what they are labelled as. 

You should get her in touch with Ivan. Should be an interesting exchange of views LOL

It doesn't matter much to me one way or the other. They are called symphonic prog on here and that's usually what they are referred to as. Not everyone agrees on what is what. That's understandable.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

The Top 37 Symphonic Prog albums of all time, as voted for in a recent poll by the good members of ProgArchives. Smile

1. YES - Close to the Edge (316 points)
2. GENESIS - Foxtrot (140 points)
3. YES - Tales from Topographic Oceans (112 points)
4. GENESIS - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (110 points)
5. EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER - Emerson, Lake & Palmer (93 points)
6. GENESIS - Selling England by the Pound (90 points)
7. CAMEL - Moonmadness (80 points)
8. KANSAS - Leftoverture (75 points)
9. HARMONIUM - Si on avait besoin d'une cinquieme saison (72 points)
10. ANGLAGARD - Hybris (67 points)
 
11. FOCUS - Hamburger Concerto (64 points) 
12. WOBBLER - From Silence to Somewhere (62 points)
12. RICK WAKEMAN - The Six Wives of Henry VIII (62 points)
14. YES - Relayer (49 points)
14. CHRIS SQUIRE - Fish Out of Water (49 points)
16. SPOCK'S BEARD - V (46 points)
16. RENAISSANCE - Ashes Are Burning (46 points)
18. DISCIPLINE - Unfolded Like Staircase (43 points)
19. GLASS HAMMER - The Inconsolable Secret (42 points)
20. NEAL MORSE - Sola Scripture (41 points)
 
21. CAMEL - The Snow Goose (40 points)
21. YES - Fragile (40 points)
21. GENESIS - Trespass (40 points)
21. CAMEL - Mirage (40 points)
21. SOLARIS - Marsbeli Kronikak (40 points)
26. GENESIS - A Trick of the Tail (38 points)
26. REFUGEE - Refugee (38 points)
28. EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER - Tarkus (35 points)
29. FANTASY - Paint a Picture (34 points)
30. CRESSIDA - Cressida (32 points)
 
31. GENESIS - Duke (30 points)
31. SPOCK'S BEARD - Snow (30 points)
31. ECHOLYN - The End is Beautiful (30 points)
31. GENESIS - Wind & Wuthering (30 points)
31. NEAL MORSE - Similitude of a Dream (30 points)
31. TRANSATLANTIC - Bridge Across Forever (30 points) 
37. ALL TRAPS ON EARTH - A Drop of Light (29 points)

Unfotunately this list does not contain one of the best part of the Symphonic Prog. The one developed in Italy, also known as Rock Progressivo Italiano.
RPI is pure symphonic prog. Tongue
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^ Maybe you'd like to put together a poll for Rock Progressivo Italiano, as RPI is something I know precious little about. Wink Embarrassed
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Amazed that Nursery Cryme isn't on that list. Symphonic is definitely my favorite genre. I'd like to see Barclay James Harvest better represented, great band and, like the Moody Blues, properly symphonic (incorporating orchestra or orchestral sounds in most of their music).   
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Originally posted by Ronstein Ronstein wrote:

Amazed that Nursery Cryme isn't on that list. Symphonic is definitely my favorite genre. I'd like to see Barclay James Harvest better represented, great band and, like the Moody Blues, properly symphonic (incorporating orchestra or orchestral sounds in most of their music).   

Barclay James Harvest has got plenty of praise around here, sometimes too much if you ask me, but then again maybe I should stay away as I dislike half their work. LOL That's why they're nicknamed Barclay James Harmless. LOL
 


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Originally posted by Ronstein Ronstein wrote:

Amazed that Nursery Cryme isn't on that list. Symphonic is definitely my favorite genre. I'd like to see Barclay James Harvest better represented, great band and, like the Moody Blues, properly symphonic (incorporating orchestra or orchestral sounds in most of their music).   

Nursery Cryme didn't make it onto the list on account of the fact that I only allowed PA voters to include one album from each artist in their respective Top 10's. Smile

If it wasn't for that rule, I probably would've chosen ten albums by Renaissance for my Top 10. Tongue
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Ok, so let's make it an even 40 right here right now. 

38. Genesis - Nursery Cryme
39. Some Italian album (maybe)
40. ? 

I think the problem with Italian prog is that typically most of the symphonic sounding ones are considered RPI on here and so technically aren't considered symphonic prog(at least not on here). I think  PFM's per un amico would be a good one to add to the list but it's considered RPI on here. 


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By "some Italian album" you of course mean Cherry Five - s/t (1975). xD The lyrics are in English and it doesn't sound very RPI to my ear. I personally believe it's a Symphonic Prog record, except... well... Italian. Let me know what you think.

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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

By "some Italian album" you of course mean Cherry Five - s/t (1975). xD The lyrics are in English and it doesn't sound very RPI to my ear. I personally believe it's a Symphonic Prog record, except... well... Italian. Let me know what you think.

I've always thought for RPI, the lyrics had to be in Italian. 
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

By "some Italian album"" you of course mean Cherry Five - s/t (1975). xD The lyrics are in English and it doesn't sound very RPI to my ear. I personally believe it's a Symphonic Prog record, except... well... Italian.

Cherry Five over PFM? I believe they are still considered RPI. I personally don't care if it's italian sounding or not. What does Italian sounding even mean? It has to have Italian vocals? Hey, let's all only listen to music with english vocals then. Why pretend prog only appeals to english people and is not a global phenemenon(which of course it is).


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I think the main factor that really differentiates C5 from standard RPI is the heavy Yes influence. But TBH the album I might as well place right in between Symphonic and RPI.
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Sorry to ask a (new?) question within a thread, but if IQ weren't labelled as neo-prog, would they fit into Symphonic?  And if not, why not?
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I think that IQ's debut is 100% symphonic. The rest is Neo.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I think that IQ's debut is 100% symphonic. The rest is Neo.

the roots of neo are in symphonic prog. That's why you'll see some people saying neo-prog doesn't exist, it's all symph-prog. Big smile


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Yeah, but Neo Prog to me is more modern sounding than Symphonic, features heavier guitars and more synths.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Yeah, but Neo Prog to me is more modern sounding than Symphonic, features heavier guitars and more synths.

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heavier guitars later on though, stating with Arena in the mid 90s. 
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The lines between Symphonic and Neo are sometimes a bit blurry. Take The Watch for instance.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

The lines between Symphonic and Neo are sometimes a bit blurry. Take The Watch for instance.

they are not neo-prog IMHO. 
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I don't hear much symphonic in Marillion(not even in the early stuff so much). IQ seems much more symphonic to me.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I don't hear much symphonic in Marillion(not even in the early stuff so much). IQ seems much more symphonic to me.

I kinda agree here, although there is an obvious Genesis influence on the early Marillion work. 
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