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Interactive Poll #01/2021: Protest (+ Folk) Songs |
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Cristi 
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the rock opera you mention was never put to an album and as usual bands/artists met with the censorship of the time. The rock opera was played live at a student festival and that was that. The music label of the time only released two singles of this band. Cantec de Haiduc means "outlaw song". The outlaw was a theme a lot of artists had in both 70s and 80s., gee I wonder why (sarcasm, I know why, it seems inoffensive, they sing about history, but it was a bit of a figurative middle finger to the authorities). In Zaharia's case, his song is about the outlaw fights injustice but is overwhelmed and hunted down, regrets loosing his battling companions and would love to rise again with new forces. For me it's both sad and uplifting song. Edited by Cristi - January 08 2021 at 18:04 |
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Snicolette
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Posted: January 08 2021 at 17:57 |
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And now first thoughts and caught up so far with all, two additions and one new:
dr wu23: Jackson Browne “For Everyman” One of the best of the singer/songwriter
genre, here with spare live setting, on his acoustic guitar with his fine voice
telling the story of the need for so many to want to return to simpler times,
for someone to tell them how to go on, but it’s up to every man, after all, to
find his own way. In the end, he seems to forgive humanity for it’s being human,
at least that is what I get from it. The Anders: (out
of competition) Gnags “Burhons” Straight
ahead rock sound, with a sense of humour about it. They remind me a bit of The Kinks in their
sound, although they are certainly not British.
I am not sure if they are pondering the plight of the chickens or if
they are comparing humans to the caged chickens (or maybe both, after all). Ronstein: Leon Rosselson “No One is Responsible” Singer/songwriter style, with plain acoustic
guitar providing the setting for the piece.
Discusses the way that so many in high positions of power will throw off
responsibility for what they may do, as they are merely doing what they’re told
(and somehow, even those people are not responsible, either). Well done and very apt for these days when it’s
always someone else who must be blamed, it seems. Leon Rosselson & Roy Bailey “Plan” Another singer/songwriter style satirical
song, this one with some jaw harp for comic relief. Makes me think a bit of music hall kind of
songs and again The Kinks, also. Very dry British humour,
this one is about bad civic planning.
Classic sort of social commentary. |
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Yes, I admit it is a strange combination... I first thought to put up a resistance song from the Spanish Civil War, but I actually wanted to present something modern... and then it gets difficult to combine that with Eisler. And Têtes Raides is a group I like very much. Musically, they navigate between Jacques Brel and Punk and lyrically it is often very poetic and committed (think of Boris Vian, Georges Brassens...) and they often put a lot of humour in their music. And because I like them so much, my out of competition song is another one by Têtes Raides: Civili. It is not a protest song concerning something specific, but more a mentality... Têtes Raides - Civili: Again, not easy to transly, but I tried to stay as much as possible close to their poetics (my translation; will delete this once the poll is over): Civili Imagination stops there where life commences Stop don't live Or you will die from it Imagine a song for provision Where doubt has without doubt Sown aplenty our lives at whatever cost Our dreams of Civilisation Civili civila civilalisation If life, if Lisa If Lisa was right It's not in the songs Neither in the water of my wine That we will make, starting tomorrow Civilisations We will make a hell, make noise, make a din And hand in hand We will sing in the streets We will make of tomorrow What we would have liked it to be If it's not forbidden to sing in the streets What will we do tomorrow For that matter with our life without our dreams For that matter I don't live or I will die from it I imagine earths in fusion Where drop by drop Heavens aplenty And our lives at whatever cost For the revolution For all those who shake them The negative hands On the walls of bricks The concrete of tomorrow We will drink a toast But without water in our wines When heaven and earth Will just be one Civili civila civilalisation If life, if Lisa If Lisa was right Civili civila civilalisation If life, if Lisa If Lisa was right (And if you like this, don't hesitate to listen to the whole album: Qu'est-ce qu'on s'fait chier !)
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The Anders
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Posted: January 09 2021 at 06:33 |
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Both, I think. I believe the song is more generally about the barbary of mistreating others for the sake of ones own fortune - be it animals or other humans.
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Snicolette
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Posted: January 09 2021 at 08:30 |
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Posted: January 09 2021 at 09:57 |
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Playlist (just the nominees) link: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-zzvl_w6Fx73auWtq6G-_HnTlYRP70Vx
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@Nickie: Good to hear you liked these. I didn't put in any additional information before, so here are some notes about the two artists. Algiers is a relatively new band (since 2012) from Atlanta. Lyrics are politically charged in a broad sense. They don't address any specific events or moments. Three full length albums so far, with the most recent "There Is No Year" released January of 2020, aptly titled and released pre-Covid. "Dispossession" comes from that album. Recommend that album and their self-titled first. Second one "The Underside of Power" is good, but I prefer the other two. David Baerwald was one half of David + David, a duo that had a moderately successful debut album in the mid '80s and then broke up. Some of you might know this song that got some good airplay at the time. A social commentary on life in L.A. The "Got No Shotgun Hydrahead Octopus Blues" is from his second solo album Triage from the early 90's. I'd say the song is a reaction to the whole Iran-Contra mess and the government at the time. As a whole, that is a great album. Had thought about posting some of his other songs in the singer-songwriter poll from a while back, so good to have this poll where this song fits in. Edited by mathman0806 - January 09 2021 at 10:19 |
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Posted: January 09 2021 at 10:50 |
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And thank you once again for the playlist!
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Posted: January 09 2021 at 11:07 |
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And first thoughts on suitkees' second choice and out of competition, also on David + David as posted by George:
suitkees: Têtes Raides and Noir Désir “Noir desir:
Rapid-speed in almost a punk rock style, but with different
instrumentation than would be with a punk band and more sophistication. (out of competition) Têtes Raides “Civili” Again almost a punk style and also along the
same lines of dissatisfaction with the way things are, this time with some
violin thrown in and shimmery bits scattered here and there. Both of these two have a strong sense of
pulling no punches and making a similar point of frustration and
dissatisfaction with society and government. George: David + David “Welcome to the Boomtown” I actually do remember hearing this on the
radio then and the scenes in the video are very familiar from my time in LA at
that time, kind of nostalgic for me. Certainly
a cynical look at Hollywood in particular and LA in general. |
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Posted: January 09 2021 at 13:47 |
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Noir désir/les Têtes Raides - "L'iditenté" is a sort of Balkan punk thing, but I sense a touch of cabaret too. It's very charming despite the lyrical topic - which sadly is still relevant, especially in my own country, Denmark :( Bruce Dickinson - "Gods of War": not so much my taste but it's a well crafted song. I think my favourite part is the break with the guitar duet. "Sacred Cowboys" has a touch of the 90's rap metal genre, but musically I think it less homogeneous. The vicious lyrics catch my attention. New Model Army - "I Love the World" is a very dark song, and unfortunately it is as relevant as ever. The gloominess this time is a bit too hard for me to take, but on the other hand it's difficult not to be taken by the song's intensity. Olympic '64 Dorin Liviu Zaharia - "Cantic De Haiduc" is much more up my alley, and I like the vocal style a lot. Musically it reminds of some Meditarranean music styles, but with electric instruments. Should be a clear contender for my part. It is sung in Romanian if I am not mistaken?
Algiers - "Dispossession" literally made my pulse rise. There's a nod to classic soul, for instance with the singing style, but it is clearly brought in to a very contemporary context. Contender. David Baerwald - "Got No Shotgun Hydrahead Octopus Blues" is full of punk anger, and another engaging listening experience. Great vocals, and I'd like to praise the guitar work too.
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Posted: January 09 2021 at 17:24 |
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Thanks a lot.
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Posted: January 09 2021 at 17:31 |
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Shadowyzard. Well, here there are some good vibrations. Good hard rock style, powerful. I prefer this to many songs by Rush. Gods of War is very good. TCat - Monster of folks (Out of competition) Delicate melody, delicate vocals, it's a pleasure to listen. Excellent lyrics.
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Posted: January 09 2021 at 17:50 |
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1) Algiers - Dispossession Basically it' a melodic gospel song, but with a fast rhythm. Powerful, inspired, the best piece (in my opinion) of your selection. 2)David Baerwald - Got No Shotgun Hydrahead Octopus Blues This one is a good rock song, with the right anger FDT (Out of competition) is a good rap. Pleasing songs, Mathman (and f**k DT!)
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I would say we open the vote next Wednesday
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I'm not much for reviews but I did listen to all songs....some very interesting and nice things ...never heard of most of them.
Always liked this track and album..not exactly a folk song but surely some comments on western civilization...;), not in the competition just an interesting song...I wanted to share...seems really appropriate right now. They put Jesus on a cross
They put a hole in J.F.K
They put Hitler in the driver's seat
And looked the other way
Now they've got poison in the water
And the whole world in a trance
But just because we're hypnotized
That don't mean we can't dance.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Posted: January 10 2021 at 11:04 |
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Cool! I'll give my feedback tomorrow or the day after. Thanks to all of you for all the feedback, by the bye. |
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And first thoughts on dr wu23's out of competition contribution:
dr wu23: Tonio K “The Funky Western Civilization” Very sarcastic punkish, but more straight rock than punk song (reminds me a bit of Jerry Lee Lewis) , with a kind of 50's treatment of a horn section well-done social commentary piece. |
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Roy Harper - "The Monster". Not a song I was familiar with, it's quite a melancholic singer/songwriter track. I think I have to listen to it again to judge it properly, because it doesn't immediately click with me. I am not fond of the singing (he is not a very good singer), but on the other hand there are some interesting sound elements now and then. Jackson Browne - "For Everyman". I didn't know that one too. Once again it's in the singer/songwriter area, but it's a corner of it that doesn't do so much for me personally. In any case it sounds honest, and I like its simple setup. Scala 3 - "Kein Ende". Enter 80's synthpop sound. I enjoy the irony in the lyrics, but sadly this kind of music does little for me. Captain Kirk - "Racist Friend". Musically this is much more me; it's an interesting arrangement and production. Lyrically I think it's a bit too "basic" for my taste. But again, I really like it musically. Even if I personally think that to stop people from being racist, it's doesn't help much just rejecting them (it may, in fact, turn things worse). Leon Rosselson - "No One is Responsible": Conveys an important message about running from your own responsibility in a totally Kafka'ish system. The main message of course being that everyone is responsible, you cannot say you "just obeyed orders". But there's a bit of humour in it too, and I somehow thought of Tom Lehrer while listening through the song. Songs like these are clearly much more about lyrics than music, and despite finding the lyrics very clever, I think I like it better when there's more emphaisis on both. Leon Rosselson and Roy Bailey - "Plan": Contains a lo-fi
aesthetics with badly recorded vocals and instruments (on purpose I am
sure). It's more of a regular "battle song", like those written for
specific protest demonstrations, strikes and so on, and with all
respect, I cannot help but have some distance to them -
even if I usually symphatise with the case they are written for.
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Selection with two homogeneous, compact songs, of a super traditional folk, very sung (I could not afford songs so sung in Italian, it would be difficult for many of you to remain interested), decidedly free-range but also elegant the first, you can see the combination between protest and folk style, you hear it from the intonation of the vocals the second more rural. Interesting proposals. Edited by jamesbaldwin - January 11 2021 at 17:47 |
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First song: free range synth-pop style song (a guilty pleasure), where the best part in my opinion are the vocals, very gritty. It's a pleasant song, and the ironic tone seems to be heard from the intonation of the vocals. Maybe a little too long. The video is as always (in Christian's case) very nice, and I was trying to remember what German cities they are. In my life, until now, I have seen Bavaria and little else: Munchen (two times), Altotting, Augsburg, Nurnberg (two times), Rothenburg, Bamberg, Frankfurt, Heidelberg. Are there any of these cities in the video? It's not so much, I know. Berlin is missing. The second song has artistic ambitions, albeit always a little crazy, and is in my opinion on a much higher level of quality. If the selection goes to the podium it will be for the second song. By the way, I'm a huge Star Trek fan, but only the classic series TV shows. Edited by jamesbaldwin - January 11 2021 at 17:46 |
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