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Poll Question: Choose three selections
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
5 [13.89%]
1 [2.78%]
3 [8.33%]
5 [13.89%]
0 [0.00%]
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6 [16.67%]
3 [8.33%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [2.78%]
3 [8.33%]
4 [11.11%]
5 [13.89%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 12:41
As Lorenzo said, we could add a third, out of competition piece.  This one is by Charlie King, from 1979.  It is about the 1957 Yucca Flats Big Smokey Atomic Test about a young army corporal who was there, on orders from the government.  There is much more to this story, he ended up with cancer and was initially denied assistance from the Veteran's Administration, although they eventually did approve it, yet never admitted it's likelihood from having been at that test. 


Link to Lyrics:  https://www.antiwarsongs.org/canzone.php?lang=en&id=12843
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 12:35
Love this topic....I know a LOT of protest songs (and folk songs too), but decided on these two to bring forward first, with the out of competition one being third, as I couldn't find a recording of my favourite version of it.  

Edited to follow the rules better..... There will now be links to lyrics!  And my third out of competition song will follow this post.  

The first is from Tom Rapp's (Pearls Before Swine) "Stardancer," LP (under Prog Folk in PA, with just 7 reviews), released in 1972.  Here, instead of his more gentle side, he sings in a snarl.  This one is fairly self-explanatory. 

Link to Lyrics:    https://www.antiwarsongs.org/canzone.php?lang=en&id=3509

The second is by Cheryl Wheeler, who you've also heard before.  This one is from 1997, after the Jonesboro school shooting and although it seems to be suggesting to get rid of all guns, that was not her purpose, as the song was about her asking herself what children would be so angry about...and perhaps the answer is to keep guns away from unsupervised children.  Her label at the time, Rounder Records, donated $5 per airplay on a AAA radio station to the Center for the Prevention of Handgun Violence.  



Link to Lyrics:  http://cherylwheeler.com/songs/iiwutm.html




Edited by Snicolette - January 04 2021 at 12:40
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 12:31
Yep, now the both work beautifully (much easier on the eyes when reading than looking at PA's pages too).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 12:27
That's because there was a typo, try again.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 12:22
Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

I created pdf files with the lyrics. I hope they work.


Maybe you're redoing it, but I get a 404 error on your first pick (document has been deleted) and the second works beautifully and looks very good.

Sorry for any hassle y'all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 12:02
I created pdf files with the lyrics. I hope they work.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:21
Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^^ It's tricky. I would think that your own translation in this context would be fine with a link to the original language lyrics. If it's a problem and someone complains tell them to contact me (I have a team of crackpot lawyers* ready to deal with any personal litigation).

*that is if cracked pots can be called lawyers.

^ And sorry to be the bearer of this. I would like to be able to post full lyrics too, but I understand the legal issues around it (and even fair use/ fair dealing practices vary from one country to another).


Do you happen to know a place where I can put the lyrics up as a pdf file by any chance?


You could try OneDrive or Google Drive.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:18
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^^ It's tricky. I would think that your own translation in this context would be fine with a link to the original language lyrics. If it's a problem and someone complains tell them to contact me (I have a team of crackpot lawyers* ready to deal with any personal litigation).

*that is if cracked pots can be called lawyers.

^ And sorry to be the bearer of this. I would like to be able to post full lyrics too, but I understand the legal issues around it (and even fair use/ fair dealing practices vary from one country to another).


Do you happen to know a place where I can put the lyrics up as a pdf file by any chance?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TCat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:17
^Is this prejudice against cracked pots?  It's time to unite all of the cracked pots!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:13
^^ It's tricky. I would think that your own translation in this context would be fine with a link to the original language lyrics. If it's a problem and someone complains tell them to contact me (I have a team of crackpot lawyers* ready to deal with any personal litigation).

*that is if cracked pots can be called lawyers.

^ And sorry to be the bearer of this. I would like to be able to post full lyrics too, but I understand the legal issues around it (and even fair use/ fair dealing practices vary from one country to another).

Edited by Logan - January 04 2021 at 11:16
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:10
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

NOTE: We have a policy against posting full lyrics at this site if you don't have express permission from any copyright holders or the artists. It's better to post a link -- I think excerpts if cited properly might be okay.

Please see this topic and edit posts accordingly: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51801

Thank you, Greg, now I edit.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:07
I would have to create some links of my own then, because I don't think there are any English translations out there.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TCat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:06
Here are a couple of protest-type songs, both completely different from one another.

#1
Ben Harper - "How Miles Must We March"

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Bigelf - "Money It's Pure Evil"







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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 11:03
NOTE: We have a policy against posting full lyrics at this site if you don't have express permission from any copyright holders or the artists. It's better to post a link -- I think excerpts if cited properly might be okay.

Please see this topic and edit posts accordingly: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51801

Edited by Logan - January 04 2021 at 11:10
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 10:55
I decided on two protest songs since I was thinking about conducting a folk music poll sometime in the future. I have chosen a Swedish and a Danish one.

Hoola Bandoola Band - Vem kan man lita på? (Whom can one trust?), 1972



Tv-2 - Kom lad os brokke os (Come let us complain), 1995
Lyrics and English translation: http://docdroid.net/YrGx1Gm/kom-lad-os-brokke-os-pdf



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I thought of four very quickly. Two are "Ohio" (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young song) and "Universal Soldier" (Buffy Sainte-Marie), but I think I'll go with "Shipbuilding" and "I Was Only 19".

"I Was Only 19" is a first-person telling about an Australian's soldier's experience in Vietnam, and the effects of Agent Orange.

Redgum - "I Was Only 19":



A middle verse:

"...And then someone yelled out "Contact"
And the bloke behind me swore
We hooked in there for hours
Then a God almighty roar
And Frankie kicked a mine
The day that mankind kicked the moon
God help me - he was goin' home in June..." (Redgum).

Full lyrics: https://genius.com/Redgum-i-was-only-19-a-walk-in-the-light-green-lyrics

"Shipbuilding" (lyrics by Elvis Costello) is well-known both for the Robert Wyatt sung version and Elvis Costello's, but I decided to go for a quite modern cover version (there are many great covers of this song).

"Shipbuilding" is a reaction to the "Falkland's War" of 1982, which was a conflict between Argentina and the UK that lasted ten weeks

Suede - "Shipbuiding"



A middle verse:

"...It's just a rumor that was spread around town
A telegram or a picture postcard
Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyard
And notifying the next of kin
Once again..." (Elvis Costello)

Full lyrics: https://genius.com/Elvis-costello-shipbuilding-lyrics

By the way, we do a have policy that prohibits posting full lyrics due to copyright/ intellectual property reasons without the artist/ copyright holder's permission, although excerpts are fine. Instead I have linked to the lyrics and included a verse from each (and the Redgum video includes lyrics).



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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

To help understanding and voting, I would ask you, dear friends, to post both songs that make up your selection (the ones to be voted on) in the same message. 

After, if you want, you can add another protest song out of the competition, on another comment.

I have edited my post to include two songs. Sorry for any confusion. I didn’t realise they needed to be in the same post.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 08:43
To help understanding and voting, I would ask you, dear friends, to post both songs that make up your selection (the ones to be voted on) in the same message. 

After, if you want, you can add another protest song out of the competition, on another comment.


Edited by jamesbaldwin - January 04 2021 at 08:43
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 08:20
Nice poll theme Thumbs Up  And I like both your introductions / contextualizations (Nick and Lorenzo).

When I read of this poll's theme I was immediately thinking of some old stuff by the Kurt Weil / Bertold Brecht or the Hanns Eisler / Bertold Brecht combos. I especially like the music of Hanns Eisler, a student of Arnold Schönberg. So my first choice is Solidaritätslied (Solidarity Song).

There are different versions of this song, but I prefer one of the original recordings, sung by the great Ernst Busch and the (small) orchestra is conducted by Eisler himself, but also because it starts off with a musical introduction, while later versions start immediately with the refrain. Written and composed in the context of the Great Depression, the waning Weimar Republic and upcoming fascism, it is catalogued by Wiki as "industrial folk music"...
The lyrics are thus written by Bertold Brecht, the music composed by Hanns Eisler (in 1931) and this version sung by Ernst Busch is also featured in Slatan Dudow's film Kuhle Wampe.

Solidaritätslied (Solidarity Song) - Hanns Eisler (music), Bertold Brecht (text), sung by Ernst Busch:



The lyrics, both English translation as original German lyrics, can be found here (the above version is referred to as the "version close to the film")

EDIT: addition of 2nd song

My second submission is a song composed by Têtes Raides and Noir Désir in 2000, written by the singer of Têtes Raides, Christian Olivier: L'iditenté (rightly spelled the title should be "L'identité" but there are some word plays and intentional misspellings in the lyrics). I very much like both bands, also because they have often very poetic lyrics. This song is against the French/European/Western countries attitude regarding immigration: after having colonised half of the planet and exploited countries that were not ours we now refuse to help people coming from those countries to ours...


The original French lyrics can be found underneath the video on youtube. What follows is my translation - I tried to keep a bit of the poetics of the original, which is not easy (will delete this once the poll is over) :

Identity

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Edited by suitkees - September 06 2021 at 03:50

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nick_h_nz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2021 at 06:26
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Nick, if you found another song (protest song or folk song) you would partecipate to the poll with your selection.

Yes, I know. But it was Parihaka that was the first to spring to mind. There are a myriad of others contending to be my second nomination, and I’ve not narrowed it down yet. Sorry.

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