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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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As Lorenzo said, we could add a third, out of competition piece. This one is by Charlie King, from 1979. It is about the 1957 Yucca Flats Big Smokey Atomic Test about a young army corporal who was there, on orders from the government. There is much more to this story, he ended up with cancer and was initially denied assistance from the Veteran's Administration, although they eventually did approve it, yet never admitted it's likelihood from having been at that test. Link to Lyrics: https://www.antiwarsongs.org/canzone.php?lang=en&id=12843
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"Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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Love this topic....I know a LOT of protest songs (and folk songs too), but decided on these two to bring forward first, with the out of competition one being third, as I couldn't find a recording of my favourite version of it.
Edited to follow the rules better..... There will now be links to lyrics! And my third out of competition song will follow this post. The first is from Tom Rapp's (Pearls Before Swine) "Stardancer," LP (under Prog Folk in PA, with just 7 reviews), released in 1972. Here, instead of his more gentle side, he sings in a snarl. This one is fairly self-explanatory. Link to Lyrics: https://www.antiwarsongs.org/canzone.php?lang=en&id=3509 The second is by Cheryl Wheeler, who you've also heard before. This one is from 1997, after the Jonesboro school shooting and although it seems to be suggesting to get rid of all guns, that was not her purpose, as the song was about her asking herself what children would be so angry about...and perhaps the answer is to keep guns away from unsupervised children. Her label at the time, Rounder Records, donated $5 per airplay on a AAA radio station to the Center for the Prevention of Handgun Violence. Link to Lyrics: http://cherylwheeler.com/songs/iiwutm.html Edited by Snicolette - January 04 2021 at 12:40 |
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"Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37232 |
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Yep, now the both work beautifully (much easier on the eyes when reading than looking at PA's pages too).
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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That's because there was a typo, try again.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37232 |
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Maybe you're redoing it, but I get a 404 error on your first pick (document has been deleted) and the second works beautifully and looks very good. Sorry for any hassle y'all. |
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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I created pdf files with the lyrics. I hope they work.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37232 |
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You could try OneDrive or Google Drive. |
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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Do you happen to know a place where I can put the lyrics up as a pdf file by any chance?
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TCat ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 07 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 11612 |
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^Is this prejudice against cracked pots? It's time to unite all of the cracked pots!
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37232 |
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^^ It's tricky. I would think that your own translation in this context would be fine with a link to the original language lyrics. If it's a problem and someone complains tell them to contact me (I have a team of crackpot lawyers* ready to deal with any personal litigation).
*that is if cracked pots can be called lawyers. ^ And sorry to be the bearer of this. I would like to be able to post full lyrics too, but I understand the legal issues around it (and even fair use/ fair dealing practices vary from one country to another). Edited by Logan - January 04 2021 at 11:16 |
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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Thank you, Greg, now I edit.
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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I would have to create some links of my own then, because I don't think there are any English translations out there.
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TCat ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 07 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 11612 |
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Here are a couple of protest-type songs, both completely different from one another. #1 Ben Harper - "How Miles Must We March" ___________________________________________ #2: Bigelf - "Money It's Pure Evil" Edited by TCat - January 04 2021 at 11:19 |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37232 |
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NOTE: We have a policy against posting full lyrics at this site if you don't have express permission from any copyright holders or the artists. It's better to post a link -- I think excerpts if cited properly might be okay.
Please see this topic and edit posts accordingly: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51801 Edited by Logan - January 04 2021 at 11:10 |
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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I decided on two protest songs since I was thinking about
conducting a folk music poll sometime in the future. I have chosen a
Swedish and a Danish one. Hoola Bandoola Band - Vem kan man lita på? (Whom can one trust?), 1972 Lyrics and English translation: http://docdroid.net/OQ5soq7/vem-kan-man-lita-pa-pdf Tv-2 - Kom lad os brokke os (Come let us complain), 1995 Lyrics and English translation: http://docdroid.net/YrGx1Gm/kom-lad-os-brokke-os-pdfEdited by The Anders - January 04 2021 at 12:44 |
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37232 |
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I thought of four very quickly. Two are "Ohio" (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young song) and "Universal Soldier" (Buffy Sainte-Marie), but I think I'll go with "Shipbuilding" and "I Was Only 19".
"I Was Only 19" is a first-person telling about an Australian's soldier's experience in Vietnam, and the effects of Agent Orange. Redgum - "I Was Only 19": A middle verse: "...And then someone yelled out "Contact" And the bloke behind me swore We hooked in there for hours Then a God almighty roar And Frankie kicked a mine The day that mankind kicked the moon God help me - he was goin' home in June..." (Redgum). Full lyrics: https://genius.com/Redgum-i-was-only-19-a-walk-in-the-light-green-lyrics "Shipbuilding" (lyrics by Elvis Costello) is well-known both for the Robert Wyatt sung version and Elvis Costello's, but I decided to go for a quite modern cover version (there are many great covers of this song). "Shipbuilding" is a reaction to the "Falkland's War" of 1982, which was a conflict between Argentina and the UK that lasted ten weeks Suede - "Shipbuiding" A middle verse: "...It's just a rumor that was spread around town A telegram or a picture postcard Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyard And notifying the next of kin Once again..." (Elvis Costello) Full lyrics: https://genius.com/Elvis-costello-shipbuilding-lyrics By the way, we do a have policy that prohibits posting full lyrics due to copyright/ intellectual property reasons without the artist/ copyright holder's permission, although excerpts are fine. Instead I have linked to the lyrics and included a verse from each (and the Redgum video includes lyrics). Edited by Logan - January 04 2021 at 10:39 |
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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I have edited my post to include two songs. Sorry for any confusion. I didn’t realise they needed to be in the same post. |
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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To help understanding and voting, I would ask you, dear friends, to post both songs that make up your selection (the ones to be voted on) in the same message.
After, if you want, you can add another protest song out of the competition, on another comment.
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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Nice poll theme ![]() When
I read of this poll's theme I was immediately thinking of some old
stuff by the Kurt Weil / Bertold Brecht or the Hanns Eisler / Bertold
Brecht combos. I especially like the music of Hanns Eisler, a student of
Arnold Schönberg. So my first choice is Solidaritätslied (Solidarity
Song). There are different versions of this
song, but I prefer one of the original recordings, sung by the great
Ernst Busch and the (small) orchestra is conducted by Eisler himself, but also because it starts off with a musical introduction,
while later versions start immediately with the refrain. Written and
composed in the context of the Great Depression, the waning Weimar
Republic and upcoming fascism, it is catalogued by
Wiki as
"industrial folk music"... The lyrics are thus written by
Bertold Brecht, the music composed by Hanns Eisler (in 1931) and this
version sung by Ernst Busch is also featured in Slatan Dudow's film
Kuhle Wampe. Solidaritätslied (Solidarity Song) - Hanns Eisler (music), Bertold Brecht (text), sung by Ernst Busch: The lyrics, both English translation as original German lyrics, can be found here (the above version is referred to as the "version close to the film") EDIT: addition of 2nd song My second submission is a song composed by Têtes Raides and Noir Désir in 2000, written by the singer of Têtes Raides, Christian Olivier: L'iditenté (rightly spelled the title should be "L'identité" but there are some word plays and intentional misspellings in the lyrics). I very much like both bands, also because they have often very poetic lyrics. This song is against the French/European/Western countries attitude regarding immigration: after having colonised half of the planet and exploited countries that were not ours we now refuse to help people coming from those countries to ours... The original French lyrics can be found underneath the video on youtube. What follows is my translation - I tried to keep a bit of the poetics of the original, which is not easy (will delete this once the poll is over) : Identity <snip> Edited by suitkees - September 06 2021 at 03:50 |
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nick_h_nz ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Metal / Heavy Prog Team Joined: March 01 2013 Location: Suffolk, UK Status: Offline Points: 6737 |
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Yes, I know. But it was Parihaka that was the first to spring to mind. There are a myriad of others contending to be my second nomination, and I’ve not narrowed it down yet. Sorry. |
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