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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

Hmm, you got me with these. I've never heard neither these artists, nor the albums. Maybe I should check them out, although I don't believe in this kind of music. As I said, RTJ is a really surprising exception for my taste. LOL

If you like jazz, it’s worth checking them out. If you don’t, then I wouldn’t bother.
You might enjoy The Folsom Project, though. Vocals are not solely rap, and the rapped vocals are relatively pleasant sounding - at least as pleasant as it is possible to sound within a dystopian soundscape a la Ulver’s Perdition City.... 🤪

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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Here's my favorite from 2020:

I'm not nearly as deeply knowledgeable on hip hop like I am with other genres, so my favorites tend to be some of the more standard stuff like Kendrick, Kanye, Tyler the Creator, Outkast, MF DOOM. However, it's an easy pick but nothing gets me more amped up then:

Honorable mention:

Your honourable mention is not playable for me, so I am unable to see who it is. Can you please tell me, so I can find another way of listening to the track?

I doubt any of us are as deeply knowledgeable on hip hop as we are with other genres. (Hence why I would never try to school anyone, but that’s for another post.... 😜) But you don’t need to be knowledgeable to appreciate it. It stands to reason, also, that because we’re not so knowledgeable we probably tend towards stuff like Kendrick, etc. I don’t think that’s a bad thing at all.


Money Trees by Kendrick Lamar is the other one. That's what I say, if people just like whatever is popular or whats deemed as the classics of a genre, that's ay-ok with me. Because these albums got that status for a reason. I also love classic east coast hip hop, Nas, Wu Tang Clan, Big L
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This is my all time favourite hip hop song, which just happens to be from all my all time favourite hip hop artist, King Kapisi. I’ve seen him live, and he puts on a fantastic show.

This was actually the song that got me into hip hop. Before this. I was one of the closed-minded people who would make arrogant statements about liking all styles of music, so long as it isn’t that rap crap. It was King Kapisi who changed my mind, and opened my ears to Aotearoa hip hop. I still wasn’t a great fan of much hip hop outside New Zealand, but I guess this song was a sort of gateway drug for me in the same way Opeth’s Ghost Reveries opened my ears to the extreme metal I’d always avoided because I hated Cookie Monster vocals.

Sometimes it take only one song, to completely change one’s mindset. Such is the power of music. 🥰

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^^ Same experience for me with Opeth, except it was Blackwater Park. However with time Ghost Reveries became my favorite, and is a top 3 record of all time for me
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"Don't be no fool
Stay in school..."

I wonder if anyone actually stayed en school and stopped taking drugs because of this song?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2021 at 17:30
Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

"Don't be no fool
Stay in school..."

I wonder if anyone actually stayed en school and stopped taking drugs because of this song?


Devastatin' Dave didn't turn out to be the WMD (weapon of mass destruction) in the war on drugs that was hoped..

If anything, I would sooner expect that it would be more likely to turn kids on to drugs and drop out since he made staying in school and not doing drugs uncooler than ever. With lyrics like these, I think that the song might most appeal to people on the crack.

"Zip dip zap, a zip wit a wabbit
Zippy dipa wip you got a cocaine habit
Scooby Dooby bip a zip bop blam
It started with a quarter now it is a gram
Zoom zoom with a Scooby Doo bop...."

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The good thing about nonsense words is, you can always find a rhyme :)
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^ Haha, very true. :D
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

That Moses Boyd album is terrific, personally I prefer the Nubya Garcia album but its close. Similarly I came to this stuff from the London nu jazz scene that is such a current hotbed. My favorites are The Comet Is Coming and Sons Of Kemet who I saw live at the Big Ears festival a couple years ago.

I'll checkout the Leron Thomas recommended, HA Chuck and More Elevator Music, right?

Yeah, the two are pretty close in quality and enjoyment for me, but where Nubya Garcia seems to edge out Moses Boyd for most people (including you), there’s just something about the latter that puts it just above the former for me. There’s really not much in it, though.

As for The Comet Is Coming or Sons of Kemet, anything that includes Shabaka Hutchings is likely to float my boat. It stands to reason, then, that this year’s Shabaka & The Ancestors album was another favourite of mine.

My favourite jazz albums from 2020, though, have been in near constant flux. On 20 December, according to what I posted on Facebook, my fifteen favourites were (in alphabetical order only):

Aadal - Silver
Ambient Jazz Ensemble - Aura
Arcing Wires - Prime
Moses Boyd - Dark Matter
Dwiki Dharmawan - Hari Ketiga
Doringo - Gužva u Svemiru
Eishan Ensemble - Afternoon Tea at Six
Tania Giannouli Trio - In Fading Light
Ishkero - Brume
Dusan Jevtovic - If You See Me
Kilter - Axiom
Giorgi Mikadze - Georgian Microjamz
Møster - Dust Breathing
Shabaka & the Ancestors - We Are Sent Here By History’s
Leron Thomas - More Elevator Music

Nubya Garcia is notable for her absence, and as of today, she would be in and Aadal would be out. But like any list, it is kind of arbitrary, and depends on my mood at any one moment. 🤷🏻‍♂️


I'll check out your reco's, don't want to take over the Rap thread with Jazz discussion so started another thread here

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Anyone loves Cypress Hill? Their serious messages and vibes sound progressive for me.

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I'm not definitely a rap guy, but I like Coolio's Gangsta's Paradise.



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Not offensive at all....!! LOL. But then again at the time what was??

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This is the first rap song I ever heard. I’m not sure how many others may have made it to the airwaves in New Zealand prior to this. Certainly not on the radio stations at the time where I lived (two mainstream AM stations, a Christian AM station, a classical AM station, and a student radio FM station which would be the only one that might have played it, but which I remember only playing indie rock). But the video was played on the weekly chart show on tv. It was 1988, and I would have been around 12, and only just beginning to take an interest in music, thanks to a new school friend and his older brother’s LP collection. I actually liked this song, but was convinced by my friend that rap wasn’t real music, and somehow managed to keep that narrow mind set for some years subsequent.

Upper Hutt Posse were incredibly important in New Zealand’s hip history - quite possibly the most important Aotearoa hip hop band! Since their inception, UHP made a point fighting racial injustice through their music. That first rap song I ever heard in 1988 was also New Zealand's first ever rap record, which is probably why it was accorded at screen time at all - as a novelty more than anything else. Of course, UHP were no novelty, and left a lasting legacy in Aotearoa.


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