Progarchives.com has always (since 2002) relied on banners ads to cover web hosting fees and all.
Please consider supporting us by giving monthly PayPal donations and help keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage") |
Prototypes of Prog |
Post Reply 
|
Page 123 4> |
| Author | ||
Heart of the Matter 
Forum Senior Member 
Joined: September 01 2020 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 3544 |
 Post Options
 Thanks(0)
 Quote Reply
 Topic: Prototypes of ProgPosted: November 11 2020 at 13:44 |
|
|
Since debate about the entire output & career of a given artist as "Proto-Prog" may be overcomplex and contradictory, I propose to discuss single albums or tracks, let's say, to dicuss "Then Play On" or "Oh Well", instead of the entire Fleetwood Mac stuff.
|
||
 |
||
|
A Crimson Mellotron
Prog Reviewer 
Joined: September 10 2020 Location: Sofia, Bulgaria Status: Offline Points: 5587 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 11 2020 at 14:05 |
|
|
Bela Bartok was Proto-Prog.
 |
||
|
||
|
Heart of the Matter
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 01 2020 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 3544 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 11 2020 at 15:42 |
|
|
(What do I see..?) Bela rules, that's for sure, my point here is: can you single out some specific piece of music where that "prog quality" shines specially bright? If so, we will have a better, more precise start for analysis.
|
||
|
||
|
Atavachron
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65587 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 11 2020 at 16:59 |
|
|
I would say as far as modern popular rock music, the Beach Boys exhibit the spirit of Prog, Art-rock & avant-gard on their landmark but almost completely missed album Smiley Smile from '67-- itself a stillborn, unfinished version of the even more amazing 'Smile' which was never produced until much later. After that, The Nice took up the call with Thoughts and Ars Longis, but they are almost full fleged prog by then. |
||
|
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
|
||
|
||
|
Heart of the Matter
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 01 2020 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 3544 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 11 2020 at 18:53 |
|
|
Great, besides Smiley Smile I think that Good Vibrations and Pet Sounds also qualify, now, are these achievements enough to turn their status from "surfing clowns" to "proto-prog wizards"?
|
||
|
||
|
dr wu23
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20650 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 08:56 |
|
|
I think most of the bands and lp's in our proto prog page and database are accuratetly listed......but having said that to me one of my favorite lp's of all time definitely qualifies in that area....
12 Dreams of Dr Sardonicus by Spirit. Also another one of my old favorites a one off obscure US band called 'Touch'. I'll be palying this one later today on my new Jamo speakers.  Edited by dr wu23 - November 12 2020 at 09:05 |
||
|
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin |
||
|
||
|
SteveG
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 09:02 |
|
 Edited by SteveG - November 12 2020 at 09:03 |
||
|
This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State.
|
||
|
||
|
Icarium
Forum Senior Member
VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34083 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 09:07 |
|
|
In Held Twas an I by Procol Harum is perhaps the strongest song in that regard even though Procol Harum is in a prog propper sub genre in PA that song signifies prog, in a proto-prog standard.
Light my Fire by the Doors is another song. With its extencive keyboard solo, the Zombies with Care of Cell 44 and spessialy Shes Not There with its jazzy chords. Edited by Icarium - November 12 2020 at 09:09 |
||
 
|
||
|
||
|
someone_else
Forum Senior Member
VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24621 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 09:35 |
|
 The Velvet Underground & Nico, arguably the first album that can be properly categorized as Art Rock.
Edited by someone_else - November 12 2020 at 09:40 |
||
|
||
|
||
|
Cristi
Special Collaborator
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45587 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 09:39 |
|
if you mention The Doors, their epics/longer songs are to be mentioned, especially When the Music's over, Celebration of the Lizard, The Soft Parade and The End.
|
||
|
||
|
dr wu23
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20650 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 11:03 |
|
 I assume that was supposed to be a clever joke.......
|
||
|
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin |
||
|
||
|
SteveG
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 11:47 |
|
|
The three cornerstone albums of prog: Days Of Future Passed by The Moody Blues, Ars Longa Vita Brevis by the Nice, and Shine On Brightly by Procol Harum. And nothing by the VU.
 Edited by SteveG - November 12 2020 at 11:49 |
||
|
This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State.
|
||
|
||
|
SteveG
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 11:49 |
|
|
And luckily, Sventonio is not here to endlessly argue for In A Doll's House by Family.
|
||
|
This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State.
|
||
|
||
|
JD
Forum Senior Member
Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 12:12 |
|
|
Spirit 12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus, Paul McCartney's Ram, Deep Purple Fireball got heavy rotation with me when they first came out. (I was 12 and 13 at the time) But if I think back to the really early stuff that I heard on the 'ol AM Transistor, before I knew anything about bands, songs like Crimson and Clover, Who Planted Thorns in Miss Alice's Garden and Suite: Judy Blue Eyes were songs that come to mind as 'progressive' for a 10-11 year old kid riding his bike around the neighborhood. I think all the 'classic' proto stuff at the time (Zeppelin, Doors, Stones) was, for the most part, being played on FM stations and evening radio shows in my somewhat conservative hometown (London ON). Something I didn't have access to at the time. As for The Velvet Underground, Proto Punk at best. Even today it just sounds like a garage band to me, very little allure. |
||
|
Thank you for supporting independently produced music
|
||
|
||
|
dr wu23
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20650 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 12:22 |
|
Well...I like that Family lp...it's pretty good...and I think it can qualify as proto prog in some ways... though I always liked Audience better...not sure why. Two bands that imho are very similar.
|
||
|
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin |
||
|
||
|
SteveG
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 12:37 |
|
|
||
|
This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State.
|
||
|
||
|
Atavachron
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65587 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 13:40 |
|
Don't get me started on that one. The quick answer is 'yes'. |
||
|
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
|
||
|
||
|
Heart of the Matter
Forum Senior Member
Joined: September 01 2020 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 3544 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 12 2020 at 16:34 |
|
|
Not only quick, but right too! Here I start another one: listening carefully to Fleetwood Mac's "Oh Well", with that stunning combination of riffage an classical piano & guitar, a resemblance emerges: "South Side Of The Sky", by Yes, also with heavy riff in the beginning, and classical piano middle section. Sowing the seeds of prog...
|
||
|
||
|
SteveG
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 13 2020 at 05:31 |
|
|
||
|
This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State.
|
||
|
||
|
Sean Trane
Special Collaborator
Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Online Points: 20410 |
Post Options
Thanks(1)
Quote Reply
Posted: November 13 2020 at 06:19 |
|
|
12 Dreams
Yup, today some revisionists will call Velvet Art Rock, because of the Warhol connection. |
||
|
||
|
Post Reply
|
Page 123 4> |
| Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
Topic Options
Icarium wrote: