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Everyone of us decides in the inner tribunal of conscience, we are only feeding it with... suggestions, just for the sake of not missing something important. I, for instance, am thinking in giving a try to Nice & Family. And here I left another outrageous one: "Funeral For A Friend" is a nice symphonic piece, and I've found Elton listed among the Symphonic-Rock icons of the Seventies.
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Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Steve, definitely Brian is not "cool", but he's a musical genius: should not that be the point? I saw Robert Fripp once, playing live with Crimson: the guy came in through the public entrance, walk to the stage shaking hands, sat in his chair at the rear, and blew everybody's head with the first riff.
Nothing cool, all about music, 100 per cent prog.
No argument from me, but I'm not the one who makes the decisions, only suggestions.
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Steve, definitely Brian is not "cool", but he's a musical genius: should not that be the point? I saw Robert Fripp once, playing live with Crimson: the guy came in through the public entrance, walk to the stage shaking hands, sat in his chair at the rear, and blew everybody's head with the first riff.
Nothing cool, all about music, 100 per cent prog.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

The three cornerstone albums of prog: Days Of Future Passed by The Moody Blues, Ars Longa Vita Brevis Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack by the Nice, and Shine On Brightly by Procol Harum. And nothing by the VU. Wink


Yup, today some revisionists will call Velvet Art Rock, because of the Warhol connection.


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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Great, besides Smiley Smile I think that Good Vibrations and Pet Sounds also qualify, now, are these achievements enough to turn their status from "surfing clowns" to "proto-prog wizards"?

Don't get me started on that one.  The quick answer is 'yes'.

Both David (Atavachron) and I had advocated that they be included but I'm afraid that opposing personal tastes might have been the deciding factor in their negative decision.  Syd Barrett was cool. Brian Wilson? Not so much.  LOL
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Not only quick, but right too! Here I start another one: listening carefully to Fleetwood Mac's "Oh Well", with that stunning combination of riffage an classical piano & guitar, a resemblance emerges: "South Side Of The Sky", by Yes, also with heavy riff in the beginning, and classical piano middle section. Sowing the seeds of prog...
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Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Great, besides Smiley Smile I think that Good Vibrations and Pet Sounds also qualify, now, are these achievements enough to turn their status from "surfing clowns" to "proto-prog wizards"?

Don't get me started on that one.  The quick answer is 'yes'.

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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

And luckily, Sventonio is not here to endlessly argue for In A Doll's House by Family.

LOL
Well...I like that Family lp...it's pretty good...and I think it can qualify as proto prog in some ways...
though I always liked Audience better...not sure why. Two bands that imho are very similar.
oh I like it too! I just don't think that all prog rock albums derived from it. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2020 at 12:22
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

And luckily, Sventonio is not here to endlessly argue for In A Doll's House by Family.

LOL
Well...I like that Family lp...it's pretty good...and I think it can qualify as proto prog in some ways...
though I always liked Audience better...not sure why. Two bands that imho are very similar.
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Spirit 12 Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus, Paul McCartney's Ram, Deep Purple Fireball got heavy rotation with me when they first came out. (I was 12 and 13 at the time)

But if I think back to the really early stuff that I heard on the 'ol AM Transistor, before I knew anything about bands, songs like Crimson and Clover, Who Planted Thorns in Miss Alice's Garden and Suite: Judy Blue Eyes were songs that come to mind as 'progressive' for a 10-11 year old kid riding his bike around the neighborhood.

I think all the 'classic' proto stuff at the time (Zeppelin, Doors, Stones) was, for the most part, being played on FM stations and evening radio shows in my somewhat conservative hometown (London ON). Something I didn't have access to at the time.

As for The Velvet Underground, Proto Punk at best. Even today it just sounds like a garage band to me, very little allure.


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And luckily, Sventonio is not here to endlessly argue for In A Doll's House by Family.
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The three cornerstone albums of prog: Days Of Future Passed by The Moody Blues, Ars Longa Vita Brevis by the Nice, and Shine On Brightly by Procol Harum. And nothing by the VU. Wink

Edited by SteveG - November 12 2020 at 11:49
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:



The Velvet Underground & Nico, arguably the first album that can be properly categorized as Art Rock.

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I assume that was supposed to be a clever joke.......
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Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

In Held Twas an I by Procol Harum is perhaps the strongest song in that regard even though Procol Harum is in a prog propper sub genre in PA that song signifies prog, in a proto-prog standard.

Light my Fire by the Doors is another song. With its extencive keyboard solo, the Zombies with Care of Cell 44 and spessialy Shes Not There with its jazzy chords.

if you mention The Doors, their epics/longer songs are to be mentioned, especially When the Music's over, Celebration of the Lizard, The Soft Parade and The End. 
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The Velvet Underground & Nico, arguably the first album that can be properly categorized as Art Rock.


Edited by someone_else - November 12 2020 at 09:40
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2020 at 09:07
In Held Twas an I by Procol Harum is perhaps the strongest song in that regard even though Procol Harum is in a prog propper sub genre in PA that song signifies prog, in a proto-prog standard.

Light my Fire by the Doors is another song. With its extencive keyboard solo, the Zombies with Care of Cell 44 and spessialy Shes Not There with its jazzy chords.

Edited by Icarium - November 12 2020 at 09:09
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Edited by SteveG - November 12 2020 at 09:03
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2020 at 08:56
I think most of the bands and lp's in our proto prog page and database are accuratetly listed......but having said that to me one of my favorite lp's of all time definitely qualifies in that area....
12 Dreams of Dr Sardonicus by Spirit.

Also another one of my old favorites a one off obscure US band called 'Touch'.
I'll be palying this one later today on my new Jamo speakers.
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Edited by dr wu23 - November 12 2020 at 09:05
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Great, besides Smiley Smile I think that Good Vibrations and Pet Sounds also qualify, now, are these achievements enough to turn their status from "surfing clowns" to "proto-prog wizards"?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2020 at 16:59
I would say as far as modern popular rock music, the Beach Boys exhibit the spirit of Prog, Art-rock & avant-gard on their landmark but almost completely missed album Smiley Smile from '67--  itself a stillborn, unfinished version of the even more amazing 'Smile' which was never produced until much later.

After that, The Nice took up the call with Thoughts and Ars Longis, but they are almost full fleged prog by then.



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