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Poll Question: Nominate one song, and vote for three.
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LOL, Mike!  I love buzz-snorks in particular....they add such depth, especially when played fortissimo!
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For tune #3:

Tribe After Tribe - White Boys in the Jungle

Unless Cristi posts his prog metal meets Tunisian folk, this may be the hardest rocking song in this poll. Originally from Johannesburg, they relocated to L.A. Songs incorporate 'tribal' rhythms with socio-political lyrics. One of my favorite alt rock bands from the 90's. Lead singer/songwriter/guitarist Robbi Robb is on PA with his current psyche/space rock band 3rd Ear Experience (also excellent). 

And bonus tune #4 from a group I've had in a previous interactive poll:

Krono Quartet - Escalay "Waterwheel"

Also from the 90's, this was written by Egyptian composer Hamza El Din, originally done in the 70's. He did the arrangement for Kronos. The album Pieces of Africa features compositions by seven African composers. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2020 at 07:28
My impressions after a runthrough of the playlist:

The Anders: Kokoko! (the French guy is Xavier Thomas, aka Débruit) are creating an interesting blend of captivating music out of their selfmade instruments and with the electronics. Great choice! Prefer them over the tractor, which remains a bit low in the mix...

Meltdowner: Wow, that's electrifying! Like that rolling bass rhythm underneath it. This one is captivating too, although in the long end the jam-feel is maybe lingering on a bit too much. Must be great to see and hear this live though. (YT proposed Arabia from the same album, which was a good listen too...)

Mathman: Yes, this poll will deliver us some great rhythm sections, percussionists and drummers. Stewart Copeland is one of them. Great playing, but the song leaves me a bit underwhelmed - it sounds a bit too standard to me - until that fantastic final kicks in! Another great drummer with Ginger Baker and I find his African Force much more captivating, from the beginning till the end, also thanks to the electric guitar and the soundscapy things and more so when the sax sets in. Great rhythmic interplay between the percussion and the drums. Wonderful track! Tribe After Tribe are not my cup of tea, a bit too ridicule (both the clip and the music). Kronos Quartet on the other hand cannot do much wrong with me, mainly because of their interpretations of contemporary music. With this one we find Hamza el Din again and I prefer this one over the song proposed by BrufordFreak.

Easy Money: King Sunny Adé gives us an intriguing mix of styles with the african rhythms, some reggae, hawaian, steel... and electronic sound effects. Intriguing, but not entirely my blend.

The Dark Elf: Ali Farka Touré was one of those great African musicians breaking through in the west. Savane is a nice trailing piece in which we hear his wonderful playing. It wouldn't be my first choice though. Ladysmith Black Mombazo are another exemple of African greatness, here with a typical Paul Simon written/inspired song. A very pleasant listen. Miriam Makeba gives us the blues here with Hugh Masekela. This is my favourite if she wasn't talking through it (here is another live version...). Very powerful song.

BrufordFreak: Samite's Night Stories are enchanting. Very ambient, which normally would not be my thing, but Samite's kalimba(?) and the vocals make something very beautiful of this song. Hamza El Din is proposing another intriguing piece: he makes the mixing of different rhythms (percussion, hand claps...) sounds so easy. Very nice, but I prefer Samite.

Lewian: Tony Allen & Hugh Masekela (him again!) deliver us a wonderful homage to the great Fela Kuti. Who better than Tony Allen could do this? A perfect blend and a nice homage to Tony Allen to put it up here - another one of those great African musicians!
Dissidenten deliver a very upbeat Fata Morgana. It has something captivating, but it is a bit too straightforward for me to be a real contender. Rokia Traore is one of these great voices; this song is nice but she has done better than this I think.

dwill123: And another great artist, Manu Dibango! (and another one who passed away this year...) Although Soul Makossa wouldn't by my choice of his, it remains a great listen.

TCat: Sonia Dada is a very nice surprise. This song has some Paul Simon's Graceland flavor over it but stands on its own as a soulful beautiful original song. Rentstrike by the Groove Collective is very groovy indeed. A nice match these two songs, but I prefer Sonia Dada. Talking Heads are in a league of their own (I didn't dare to put up some TH, but instead I offered Angélique Kidjo's cover...); always fantastic, but they would be out of competition for me. Karl Jenkins is nice to hear but lacks the originality of the other songs, and I find Paul Winter's song a bit underwhelming too.

Snicolette: I'm really impressed by Seckou Keita's song: it is beautiful. Is this only a kora we hear or is there a subtle interplay with an acoustic guitar? Very great singing too, which makes this a captivating song! I actually prefer this one over his collaboration pieces, despite their richer instrumentation: nice too, but less surprising. It's been a while that I've heard this song of Johnny Clegg; yes, very 80s and very festive, but not what I prefer (not then, not now).

Cristi: Tinariwen has some nice guitar playing over more traditional percussion and bass sounds. A kind of Tunisian americana... very nice!

Logan: With Lokonon Andre Isidore et l’ Orchestre Les Volcans we're travelling back in time a bit with a kind of African funky pop. Nice to hear, but not entirely my thing. Fela Kuti's Unknown Soldier on the contrary is for me an all time classic, poignant piece of music (in its two parts!).


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Very nice to read your thoughts, suitkees, and compare with how I heard the pieces.  For those who haven't been around as long, we do not expect breakdowns this detailed, although a couple of us do them, it is not a requisite!  
On the solo piece by Seckou, there are no other artist credits, I am not, sure, he is listed as "primary artist," of course this does not mean there wasn't overlaying of tracks to achieve sound....it undoubtedly is on the choral vocals here.   It's on the remarkable recording "22 Strings," which is how I discovered him.  
He has a wonderful collaboration with Catrin Finch (a harpist, I know you're not that fond of it as a solo instrument), I will post here, but out of competition, these are longer and include improvisations.  They are a joy to watch.  
With the Johnny Clegg piece, the African "hmmmm hmmmm ho hmmmms," always made me think of the Ents (and well before the films were made), which always gave me a chuckle.  
Seckou & Catrin:  
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Very nice to read your thoughts, suitkees, and compare with how I heard the pieces.  For those who haven't been around as long, we do not expect breakdowns this detailed, although a couple of us do them, it is not a requisite!
Damn! If I'd known that... Seriously though, if/when I have the time, I like to comment on the songs proposed here as I like to read feedback. These polls are a nice music exchange (as we did way back when with audio cassettes...), and it is nice to read - positive or negative - comments from others on all the music suggestions here. But indeed, there is no obligation at all.

This video of Finch and Keita playing together is quite enjoyable: it is nice to see them produce that rich sound palette with kora and harp alone, those intertwining melodies and rhythms... I understand better why I could suspect an acoustic guitar on his solo piece, but now I see how versatile the kora is as instrument (or how versatile he is playing it). Thanks!



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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Very nice to read your thoughts, suitkees, and compare with how I heard the pieces.  For those who haven't been around as long, we do not expect breakdowns this detailed, although a couple of us do them, it is not a requisite!
Damn! If I'd known that... Seriously though, if/when I have the time, I like to comment on the songs proposed here as I like to read feedback. These polls are a nice music exchange (as we did way back when with audio cassettes...), and it is nice to read - positive or negative - comments from others on all the music suggestions here. But indeed, there is no obligation at all.

This video of Finch and Keita playing together is quite enjoyable: it is nice to see them produce that rich sound palette with kora and harp alone, those intertwining melodies and rhythms... I understand better why I could suspect an acoustic guitar on his solo piece, but now I see how versatile the kora is as instrument (or how versatile he is playing it). Thanks!


  Didn't want to scare off newcomers, by their thinking this was a requirement.  Smile  I agree, it's interesting to hear through others' ears, in a way, by reading the comments....as many here are also reviewers, there's sort of a tendency to want to discuss, I think, and these polls have really done so in a very respectful manner, of course when in agreement, and also when not.
I'm glad you enjoyed that, they also do more Celtic pieces together, I really love the live versions, because they both are obviously having so much fun.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2020 at 16:34
A bit from Page Two (Logan) and a couple of additions from George, first impressions.

Logan:  Lokonon Andre Isidore et l’ Orchestre Les Volcans "Glenon Ho Akue"  Very city-scape feeling to me, here. Lots of horns, percussion and male voices over all, with a dissonance to all.  Fela Kuti “Unknown Soldier”  Begins with some fingersnaps, brush sounds, then adds piano keeping to that beat and electric guitar, handclaps and more electric guitar, holding yet to that beat.  Adds some shaker sound and male voice intoning, cowbell!  Singer and female chorus come on full, very hypnotic piece, with political/social commentary.  Horn section comes in about 5 minutes in, with more cowbell and scatting from Fela, all keeping with the continuing hypnotic rhythms and the return of the horns, about halfway. Lots more political/social commentary with some magic thrown in.  The singing intensifies, and some piano comes in, improvising, it sounds like, along with the horns again and the shaker instruments (and the guitar lines have never really stopped underneath).  Horns come in with flourishes and interplay with piano for a bit near the end, then it abruptly halts.  Had to hear it all.  😊 

George:  Tribe After Tribe “White Boys in the Jungle”  Definitely in rock-land here.  Heavy guitar riffs, steady beat and and an alt-rock vocal.  Made me curious about what lead guy would do with space rock setting.  Kronos Quartet “Escalay – Waterwheel”  Very different than your other Kronos Quartet piece…I love the deep sound at the beginning (not sure if it’s actually oud or not), beautiful with the understated oriental orchestra feel to this, as the various other instruments kick in, great tension build and gets into some plucky back and forth between the percussive and string elements.  Lovely and my favourite of yours here. 


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As Rokia Traore was out of competition (sorry Nicky! Comment was much appreciated) I have another suggestion to make. Kalifa Kone - this amazing multiinstrumentalist apparently lives half in Africa and half in Italy and plays a lot here. Together with an Italian musician (whose name I unfortunately forgot as they didn't have anything published together and neither could I find anything of the two together on the web) he played one of the three little gigs (the best!) that I managed to see in summer in the time window when we actually had concerts. I actually didn't know them before but checked out some of his stuff to decide whether I should go. They were just wonderful, and I bought Kalifa's Luna album, which is largely very good as well. surely his band on the album grooves. Here's "Funky". 



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Just so everyone knows, I haven't heard the songs yet. I will wait until the final nominations have been decided. But I see there are already a lot of songs being posted which is good :)
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My nominations: 

Mau Mau is an Italian band from Turin, formed in 1990 by Luca Morino (vocals and guitar), Fabio Barovero (accordion) and Cameroonian Tatè Nsongan (Djembe). Born from the ashes of the underground cult group Loschi Dezi, the band draws its influences from world music, especially Mediterranean, African, Arabic and Latin traditions. They mainly sing in native Piedmontese. The band's name has a double meaning: it references the Kenyan Mau Mau uprising against British colonial rule,and in Piedmontese, Mau Mau designates "people who come from afar".


1) Mau Mau: Ellis Island



2) Mau Mau: Basura


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2020 at 18:10
Here are initial thoughts on Lorenzo's offerings and Lewian's alternate:  

Lorenzo  Mau Mau “Ellis Island”  Upbeat horns and percussion starts this one out.  Spirited male vocalist, I can certainly also hear the Mediterranean and Latin influences here.  It’s upbeat, but it seems that it is about the experience that immigrants have at Ellis Island in the US, which is not always positive.  Lots of rangy swirls of sound, the horns have a really different-sounding kind of lead that they create a bit past the middle.  “Basura”  Here we have some sort of concertina or accordion sounds in the beginning.  They go into a bit of a rap from time to time.  Another strident piece, very danceable, as the first would also be.  Really a different sound than most that we’ve been hearing from….as usual, the Italian take creates it’s own special viewpoint.

Lewian:  Kalifa Kone “Funky”  Here we have an I am not sure what it is that starts the piece (is it a kora, or guitar or what?), then some funky organ glisses come along and some horns.  Really intriguing, I’m glad you added this one, too, esp since Rokia is out of competition..  Cool!   

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At some point a German newspaper published some of the notes of notorious contemporary avantgarde music composer Karlheinz Stockhausen (not quite as contemporary anymore Wink) when listening to some popular music including some prog. In style these were quite similar to yours Nicky, he'd also note down how it starts, the major changes, his overall impression in a similarly compressed way. Professional listener's style one could call it. Only difference was that he would never hide that he thinks all popular music is ultimately garbage and which of his works the musicians should listen to in order to learn. Big smile Can's Holger Czukay (my avatar man) and Irmin Schmidt were actually students of his.

Here's some African Can stuff, to make the connection to the thread. Out of competition of course. Excellent underrated album in my view, where they teamed up with Ex-Traffic African rhythm force Rosko Gee and Rebop Kwaku Baah.
 


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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

At some point a German newspaper published some of the notes of notorious contemporary avantgarde music composer Karlheinz Stockhausen (not quite as contemporary anymore Wink) when listening to some popular music including some prog. In style these were quite similar to yours Nicky, he'd also note down how it starts, the major changes, his overall impression in a similarly compressed way. Professional listener's style one could cann it. Only difference was that he would never hide that he thinks all popular music is ultimately garbage and which of his works the musicians should listen to in order to learn. Big smile Can's Holger Czukay (my avatar man) and Irmin Schmidt were actually students of his.

Here's some African Can stuff, to make the connection to the thread. Out of competition of course. Excellent underrated album in my view, where they teamed up with Ex-Traffic African rhythm force Rosko Gee and Rebop Kwaku Baah.
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  That's really interesting, Lewian...I think of them as sort of "capsule reviews," I like the way your Karlheinz thinks (or at least how he organized his reviews).  Wink  Can't say I completely agree that all popular music is garbage, but doubtless his depth of knowledge was much more than mine!  I'm sure he'd know exactly what to call the plinkies and whirlies, for instance.  LOL
Sadly, your video doesn't work for me here, can you give me the name of the piece and I can look it up that way on my own?  
And thank you for your thoughts here, as well, and the continued widening of my horizons.
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I don't have much time right now to comment, but I am enjoying the songs posted and this will be a tough one for me to decide on my top three once the nominations are set.  
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:


Sadly, your video doesn't work for me here, can you give me the name of the piece and I can look it up that way on my own?  
 

Call Me by Can. I was thinking about posting Don't Say No from the same album (Saw Delight).
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Oh, thank you!  Will give it a listen later tonight or tomorrow.  Smile
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

^ Unfortunately that video is not available to me.
Oh darned, forget about this thread a bit but I hope I'm still in time to correct it... Does one of these versions work?:

Oh so funky...
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^ Yeah, good stuff!
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

"Call Me," by Can. I was thinking about posting Don't Say No from the same album (Saw Delight).
  Begins with some wind sounds, then orchestral ones, drums kick in with swirling organ and bass. Intensity builds and the vocals kick in.  There is an ominous feel to this one.  Guitars come swooping in with more vocals, whispery sounds.  I do like this, looked up the lyrics since they're a bit back, I was right with ominous.  Fade out with organ and drums at the end.  This one wins for spookiness today!  Smile
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First thoughts on twseel's later entry.

twseel:  Se Ba Ho “Orchestre Poly-Rythmo De Cotonou”  Begins with steady beat from drums and guitar, deep male vocals, very hypnotic piece.  Loved watching the live one best, even though they were similar in sound overall, it was infectious to see them dancing along. 

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