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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2020 at 14:30
Are you really pushing 70? Are you reliving your youth trying to start fights on forums? Weird.
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Not only am I 70 but I'm also legally blind. That's why I'm upset that I wasted so much time with you. It takes a lot of effort for me to post on this site. But it was my mistake, I should have realized that you were off and bailed on you when you posted the sound alike videos. My bad as my grandson says. See you around.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2020 at 14:44
You could have just listened to the music I posted, in lieu of dismissing it outright. You might like some of it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2020 at 16:36
I'm getting the strange feeling that no one has ever been influenced by anything at all. 

Anyway, it's nice to see Leger de Main being mentioned. I have a copy of their A Lasting Impression release which contains both of their two studios albums. Great band. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2020 at 16:51
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Anyway, it's nice to see Leger de Main being mentioned. I have a copy of their A Lasting Impression release which contains both of their two studios albums. Great band.

Hear, hear! LdM knocked it out of the park with their nod to the Pressure-Power sound. Do you like their subsequent efforts with and without Melissa, Mythologic, Rh Factor and Razor Wire Shrine?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2020 at 18:32
So I am reading a back issue of Prog Magazine from Jan 2015, it happens to be a special Rush R40 issue. In one section is 40 musicians tell their fav Rush song.

Mike Holmes (IQ) says: "YYZ sounded great when it first came out in the early 80's, and sounds better when they do it live now. On the 2012 Clockwork Angels tour when they used the live strings it sounded massive. For me, this was the beginning of prog metal, and became a blueprint for the whole genre. Neil Peart is all over this track - he absolutely nailed it and really set a standard for others to aspire to."

Any issues take it up with Mike Holmes......he said it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2020 at 18:50
"YYZ" is an insane piece of music. It's basically prog-fusion before prog-fusion. I give props to any band that attempts to cover it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2020 at 20:59
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

"YYZ" is an insane piece of music. It's basically prog-fusion before prog-fusion. I give props to any band that attempts to cover it.

Eddie Jobson is on the way to your house to tell you about this band he was in called UK. Wink I think Happy the Man might fit that bill also. I'm sure there were others as well.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2020 at 00:32
Ok look. I can concede that Rush were a big influence on several prog metal bands (not all, but several). But I'm going to have to dispute them as pioneers of prog-fusion, sorry. Awakening by Mahavishnu Orchestra? The Leprechaun's Dream by Chick Corea? SBB's stuff? Come on.

I love YYZ, not disputing it's awesomeness. But it's not even that insane (except for a couple spots for the bass player). Great track, amazing album. A pioneer in using morse code as a time signature? Maybe. Proto-prog-fusion? Nay, I say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2020 at 01:13
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I'm getting the strange feeling that no one has ever been influenced by anything at all. 

Anyway, it's nice to see Leger de Main being mentioned. I have a copy of their A Lasting Impression release which contains both of their two studios albums. Great band. 

I’d flip it around and say that everyone has been influenced by everything. Every piece of music someone has heard is possibly stored in the memory, even if you can’t recall it. Someone who makes music today has a lot more influence than someone who made music in the 60’s. They had music at that time too, but a lot less, less available and less diverse. Artists are probably influenced by bands without knowing it and without anyone being able to hear it in the music.

Did Rush influence prog metal? I’d say that is a pretty clear: Yes!

It’s impossible to quantify how much. Asking the prog metal artists that followed is probably the closest you get, but even they can have been influenced without even realizing it. The exception would of course be artists that hadn’t even heard anything by Rush when they made their own music. They could still have been influenced by them, indirectly by other bands that had been influenced by Rush.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2020 at 10:54
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

"YYZ" is an insane piece of music. It's basically prog-fusion before prog-fusion. I give props to any band that attempts to cover it.

I covered YYZ when I was a serious musician, it's not that difficult a piece of music if you are highly competent player.  

"Prog-fusion"?   Yeeaaahhh, I think this may be a case of someone young who doesn't really know rock history, doesn't fully grasp what it is to be a professional musician, and who is using quotes and supposition to make an argument.

That's cool, man, have at it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2020 at 10:55
Alright, guys. Stop running with the "prog-fusion" ball already. I have been listening to fusion since the '80s and nothing back then was called "prog-fusion." 

I was paying the band a compliment. Geez.

Yes to U.K. No to Happy the Man. 

Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever, Weather Report and Larry Coryell's Eleventh House were not "prog-fusion." They were FUSION bands. Literally FUSION.

If you want the birth of prog-fusion, here it is. You're welcome.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2020 at 10:58
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

"YYZ" is an insane piece of music. It's basically prog-fusion before prog-fusion. I give props to any band that attempts to cover it.
 

I covered YYZ when I was a serious musician, it's not that difficult a piece of music if you are highly competent player.

Good for you. If your level of proficiency was Rush-level, why didn't you keep going? You said "was," which means past tense in basic English.

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

"Prog-fusion"?   Yeeaaahhh, I think this may be a case of someone young who doesn't really know rock history, doesn't fully grasp what it is to be a professional musician, and who is using quotes and supposition to make an argument.

Get off your high horse already. Want to come over and look at my music collection? It's like Tower Records in here.

Proglodytes. Sheesh. LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2020 at 11:02
Originally posted by Zeph Zeph wrote:

Did Rush influence prog metal? I’d say that is a pretty clear: Yes!

It’s impossible to quantify how much. Asking the prog metal artists that followed is probably the closest you get, but even they can have been influenced without even realizing it. The exception would of course be artists that hadn’t even heard anything by Rush when they made their own music. They could still have been influenced by them, indirectly by other bands that had been influenced by Rush.

Did you have a listen to the bands I posted in the last couple pages? Lots of good stuff. The Rodler brothers and the guys in Maximum Difference easily covered "YYZ." Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2020 at 11:05
Progressive composition with odd time signatures & lyrics, lengthy instrumental passages and unnorthodox arrangements i.e 2112, Farewell to Kings & Hemispheres are a proven fact, some bands influenced by them absolutely!!! Tool often has its moments among others?


Question: 
Prog Metal that sounds like amped up 70´s Rush?

YEAHHHH
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2020 at 11:08
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

"YYZ" is an insane piece of music. It's basically prog-fusion before prog-fusion. I give props to any band that attempts to cover it.
 

I covered YYZ when I was a serious musician, it's not that difficult a piece of music if you are highly competent player.

Good for you. If your level of proficiency was Rush-level, why didn't you keep going? You said "was," which means past tense in basic English.

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

"Prog-fusion"?   Yeeaaahhh, I think this may be a case of someone young who doesn't really know rock history, doesn't fully grasp what it is to be a professional musician, and who is using quotes and supposition to make an argument.

Get off your high horse already. Want to come over and look at my music collection? It's like Tower Records in here.

Proglodytes. Sheesh. LOL

Okay sorry if I was being presumptuous.  

As far as why I didn't continue in music--   for me you either do something like professional music 100%, or you move on and do something else at the same level.   I started to become interested in other things and can't dedicate myself to that high a level of skill & art in more than one thing at a time.   So i moved on.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2020 at 11:09
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

So I am reading a back issue of Prog Magazine from Jan 2015, it happens to be a special Rush R40 issue. In one section is 40 musicians tell their fav Rush song.

Mike Holmes (IQ) says: "YYZ sounded great when it first came out in the early 80's, and sounds better when they do it live now. On the 2012 Clockwork Angels tour when they used the live strings it sounded massive. For me, this was the beginning of prog metal, and became a blueprint for the whole genre. Neil Peart is all over this track - he absolutely nailed it and really set a standard for others to aspire to."

Any issues take it up with Mike Holmes......he said it.

I'm sure a few people here have a problem with "YYZ being the beginning of prog-metal," Jose.

A lot of wig-flipping going on in this thread! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2020 at 11:12
Originally posted by Paulo V Paulo V wrote:

Progressive composition with odd time signatures & lyrics, lengthy instrumental passages and unnorthodox arrangements i.e 2112, Farewell to Kings & Hemispheres are a proven fact, some bands influenced by them absolutely!!! Tool often has its moments among others?


Question: 
Prog Metal that sounds like amped up 70´s Rush?

YEAHHHH

Sounds simple enough to me! Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2020 at 11:14
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Paulo V Paulo V wrote:

Progressive composition with odd time signatures & lyrics, lengthy instrumental passages and unnorthodox arrangements i.e 2112, Farewell to Kings & Hemispheres are a proven fact, some bands influenced by them absolutely!!! Tool often has its moments among others?


Question: 
Prog Metal that sounds like amped up 70´s Rush?

YEAHHHH

Sounds simple enough to me! Thumbs Up

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2020 at 11:22
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

So I am reading a back issue of Prog Magazine from Jan 2015, it happens to be a special Rush R40 issue. In one section is 40 musicians tell their fav Rush song.

Mike Holmes (IQ) says: "YYZ sounded great when it first came out in the early 80's, and sounds better when they do it live now. On the 2012 Clockwork Angels tour when they used the live strings it sounded massive. For me, this was the beginning of prog metal, and became a blueprint for the whole genre. Neil Peart is all over this track - he absolutely nailed it and really set a standard for others to aspire to."

Any issues take it up with Mike Holmes......he said it.

I'm sure a few people here have a problem with "YYZ being the beginning of prog-metal," Jose.

A lot of wig-flipping going on in this thread! LOL

I'd be glad to take it up with Mr. Holmes.   The quote is "For me, this was the beginning of prog metal" .

Quite a different thing than understanding rock evolution and how progressive metal actually developed.  


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