Did Rush influence Prog Metal?

^ Are you trying to Ram that message home?

Psychedelic Paul wrote: Anyone who hasn't heard of Paul McCartney & The Beatles must be living on Venus and Mars.

Let's all Come Together. Or on second-thought, let's not go there.

Someone might do a "Did Genesis inspire Neo-Prog?" poll.

Option one: "Yes, the Book of Genesis influenced Neo-Prog."
Option two: "No, Neo-Prog is just a Neo (New) Testament phenomenon."
Option three: "It's all about the Quran, man"
Option four: "Two words, Dianetics and Scientology" etc.

The Dark Elf wrote: Catcher10 wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: Catcher10 wrote: The Dark Elf wrote: SteveG wrote: ^ I admire and respect your zeal for Rush Jose, but people forgetting Zeppelin and Sabbath? Come on, now. Rush was never that much in the consciousness of the main stream.     I know you want people to forget about the Beatles, but that's impossible too. Particularly since The Beatles can release another remastered album tomorrow and sell a million copies -- 50 years after they broke up. Rush in 50 years? I don't think they can duplicate the generation-to-generation success and universal appeal of The Beatles. On a lesser scale, you could say the same thing about Zeppelin, Sabbath, or even Pink Floyd, for that matter. The difference is its the same people buying the million copies, 70yr old coggers who have 20 versions of each album......they claim they have 2,000 albums, but in fact 1,000 of those albums are Beatles records. Sure thing, Jose. But since my daughter is in college, visiting the campus I can tell you that Floyd and the Beatles are being listened to far more than Rush. Hell, even their paraphernalia like t-shirts and such are still being worn and purchased. Rush? Not so much. Fine band, but not on par.  Rush is an underground band and following......as Steve stated "not main stream". I have yet to see a young person wearing Beatles shirt, but I see gobs of them wearing Pink Floyd, Zepp and AC/DC shirts. Some reading material for you...   https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/26/the-beatles-remain-a-pop-culture-phenomenon-even-among-gen-z-fans.html

To get back (ugh) to your premise, Greg, that inspiration can lead to influence is clever but I can only go by how it relates legally to music. There is a definitive line between inspiration and plagerism but not such a definitive line between influence and plagerism. So, they have to have different definitions from each other and be unrelated.

Edited by SteveG - October 06 2020 at 14:19

Rush had nothing to do with metal? To me that's like saying Led Zeppelin had nothing to do with heavy metal. I wouldn't call them metal or even prog metal but to say they had nothing to do with it doesn't sound quite right either. They were actually an influence on the so called new wave of british heavy metal(NWOBM)in the late seventies and early 80's and much of their 70's albums were very metallish and even proto metal imo. Maybe these days they don't sound like modern metal but neither does Thin Lizzy or UFO or whoever. At the time Rush and several other bands including Aerosmith were lumped in with heavy metal. Of course maybe the defintion of metal has changed but to say they had nothing to do with metal(ever)is a bit of a stretch and quite inaccurate imo. I consider Rush to be proto prog metal at the very least. Heck I even saw them recently listed in a heavy metal book at the book store. While I thought that might be a bit much I can see why they were in there(the same reason DP and LZ should be in there).

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 06 2020 at 14:46

^ The question was did Rush influence progressive metal. I say yes.

I hate to say it but even PA's definition of prog metal holds that KC and Rush are the two major influences on prog metal. This fantasy runs deep.

Cristi wrote: Atavachron wrote: ^ Fair enough but the question ignores the far greater impact of other bands, does it not? I don't think so.  I can make a long list of bands that I think influenced bands, I'm sure I would get some frowned faces

I have a feeling you'd do better than Psychedelic Paul.

Edited by SteveG - October 06 2020 at 15:29

SteveG wrote: Cristi wrote: Atavachron wrote: ^ Fair enough but the question ignores the far greater impact of other bands, does it not? I don't think so.  I can make a long list of bands that I think influenced bands, I'm sure I would get some frowned faces  I have a feeling you'd do better than Psychedelic Paul.