Did Rush influence Prog Metal?

No music exists in vacuum. All genres have some cross influence. How can someone that grew up listening to the Beatles, even subtlety and subliminally, not incorporate some of that influence into their music? Regardless of genre, baring avant gard and jazz. Where I think there's direct influence of Rush into prog metal is in the actual structures of the songs as opposed to the music itself. Albums like "Awake" by DT and "Exit" by Fates Warning have songs with manic overtures, complex connecting passages and repeating motifs and outros. Very Rush like, for sure. Where they differ is in their sense of melodicism, rhythm and execution. Prog metal groups also incorporate styles from thrash, death and speed metal. Not very Rush like, I'm afraid, but that's what makes the subgenre metal. So, do I think there's Rush influence in progressive metal? Sure. Just not as much as they're given credit for.

^ I admire and respect your zeal for Rush Jose, but people forgetting Zeppelin and Sabbath? Come on, now. Rush was never that much in the consciousness of the main stream. I know you want people to forget about the Beatles, but that's impossible too.

Edited by SteveG - October 06 2020 at 09:10

Catcher10 wrote: SteveG wrote: ^ I admire and respect your zeal for Rush Jose, but people forgetting Zeppelin and Sabbath? Come on, now. Rush was never that much in the consciousness of the main stream.   I know you want people to forget about the Beatles, but that's impossible too. Maybe not in the mainstream (that is arguable today...) but you are on a prog website not Spotify.......There are people who don't know who the Beatles are today. I don't want people to forget about them, just on this site as they have nothing to do with progressive rock music. Where r u all in this picture?? This is what the Beatles represent.....

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 06 2020 at 10:51

And their fans being something like this.

Obviously, I mean, just listen to early Dream Theater

Edited by dougmcauliffe - October 06 2020 at 11:06

dougmcauliffe wrote: Obviously, I mean, just listen to early Dream Theater King Crimson, Sabbath and Zeppelin were influences as well, but you don't hear much of them in prog metal as we know it, Dream Theater and Rush have had the largest influence on prog metal, no argument there.

you came late to the party Doug, we're on the Beatles now. And, When Dream And Day Unite was not even Rush-lite. I like the original vocalist (Domenici) better than Labrie, but that's not saying much.

You can thank Jose for that!

The Dark Elf wrote: SteveG wrote: ^ I admire and respect your zeal for Rush Jose, but people forgetting Zeppelin and Sabbath? Come on, now. Rush was never that much in the consciousness of the main stream.     I know you want people to forget about the Beatles, but that's impossible too. Particularly since The Beatles can release another remastered album tomorrow and sell a million copies -- 50 years after they broke up. Rush in 50 years? I don't think they can duplicate the generation-to-generation success and universal appeal of The Beatles. On a lesser scale, you could say the same thing about Zeppelin, Sabbath, or even Pink Floyd, for that matter.

I think it's fair to say that the Beatles will never be forgotten in this capitalistic world of ours.

Catcher10 wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Catcher10 wrote: SteveG wrote: ^ I admire and respect your zeal for Rush Jose, but people forgetting Zeppelin and Sabbath? Come on, now. Rush was never that much in the consciousness of the main stream.   I know you want people to forget about the Beatles, but that's impossible too. Maybe not in the mainstream (that is arguable today...) but you are on a prog website not Spotify.......There are people who don't know who the Beatles are today. I don't want people to forget about them, just on this site as they have nothing to do with progressive rock music. Where r u all in this picture?? This is what the Beatles represent..... People who don't know the Beatles? Maybe really young people who only listen to pop or rap music. I can pretty much guarantee there's no one who knows about Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Queen, u2, the Rolling Stones or any other band who hasn't at least heard of the Beatles. Also, I'm well aware of your disdain for the Beatles but to say they have nothing to do with progressive rock music is a bit of a stretch. It could even be argued that if there were no Beatles there would be no prog. I won't say Sgt. Pepper's is an early prog album(although some might)but it certainly led to prog. If it wasn't for Fripp hearing a "day in the life" on his way home one evening who knows if KC would have even formed and officially started prog as we know it. So yeah, personal opinions aside, the Beatles are very important in the history and development of prog whether anyone wants to admit it or not. That's the problem, people lump them into being the creators of all genres of music......BTW old people die, then really young people take over , so you answered my statement, some people don't know who the Beatles are.  They are important to music in general, but very little importance to progressive music.....This is one where they get too much (made up) credit for progressive music. People have disdain for a lot of bands, but when someone has disdain for the Beatles its deemed sacrilegious ....seems hypocritical to me. ANY band that was created in the mid to late 60's listened to the Beatles, saw the massive popularity they achieved and money/fame/carte blanche they commanded, all given to them by the fans. The belief that if the Beatles did not exist music would be different is absurd...different how?? They were a massive driver and reason for so many people getting into music, wanting to record and write songs.....but you did not see these people become Beatles copy cats (only The Knack ), they created their own music.....KC sounds NOTHING like anything the Beatles wrote.  It was a musical movement during that time, just watch Woodstock, that's what was truly going on with music during that time, the Beatles were in their own crazy bubble gum girly pop music world....Their music was nowhere near as serious as what happened at Woodstock.

I don't think that anyone is disputing that they were not that important to progressive music. They, like others through psychedelia, added to the formation of early prog, but they were not holding a smoking gun. It's easier to say a group like the Moody Blues or Procol Harum were more important to the formation of prog. No argument here.

Edited by SteveG - October 06 2020 at 11:24

The Dark Elf wrote: SteveG wrote: ^ I admire and respect your zeal for Rush Jose, but people forgetting Zeppelin and Sabbath? Come on, now. Rush was never that much in the consciousness of the main stream.     I know you want people to forget about the Beatles, but that's impossible too. Particularly since The Beatles can release another remastered album tomorrow and sell a million copies -- 50 years after they broke up. Rush in 50 years? I don't think they can duplicate the generation-to-generation success and universal appeal of The Beatles. On a lesser scale, you could say the same thing about Zeppelin, Sabbath, or even Pink Floyd, for that matter.