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All dealt except 71418. Thanks.
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Ok, continuing on what Bruford Freak picked up on, these users all have suspiciously similar ratings and many ratings were dropped in straight succession. All rate the newer Opeth, Pendragon, Motorpsycho and various other new releases as one star, while pretty much blanket rating Karfagen, Modern Rock Ensemble and Anthony from Karfagen as 5 stars. This appears to be potential rating abuse to boost those bands in the year end rankings. It's especially strange that many rank every other Pendragon album as 5 stars but not the most recent one. I don't know if there is substantial enough evidence, but they all just have too many ratings in common for me to not make note of it:

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=72614

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=71418

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=72113

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=71439

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=72472


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Does this make sense? After a long and detailed singles review for Peter Gabriel's song 'Shock The Monkey', this reviewer gave the song 1 star based on this logic:
 
"So, this song is repetitive trash, but good artistic repetitive trash, i was going to give this track 3 stars, but it has so much rating that i'm going to give it just 1, it really doesn't deserve the recomendation for any prog rock music collection, but it is good though."
 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ My bad, I was thinking of this collaborator also with very suspicious Dream Theater ratings

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=7422

yeah, same guy, rating abuse definitely, now if only a mod saw this and nuke the ratings. 
not a collaborator. 

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=64154

Lets try that one more time! John Wetton Ratings kinda sus too


Edited by dougmcauliffe - October 01 2020 at 14:15
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:


Tis person here is in fact a collaborator with a similar case but to a lesser degree: http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=64154
Jeez, he's really got something against John Wetton and Jordan Rudess!
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

^ My bad, I was thinking of this collaborator also with very suspicious Dream Theater ratings

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=7422

yeah, same guy, rating abuse definitely, now if only a mod saw this and nuke the ratings. 
not a collaborator. 
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^ My bad, I was thinking of this collaborator also with very suspicious Dream Theater ratings

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=7422


Edited by dougmcauliffe - October 01 2020 at 05:16
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=7422

This collaborator has rated literally EVERY SINGLE dream theater release on this website as 1 star. It seems this collaborator is still active but I call BS on this one. I don't believe that this person who apparently despises the band has gone out of their way to listen to every single piece of recorded material this band, that he hates, has ever released.

Also, the fact that all the ratings are in a row kinda implies that he likely just clicked through systematically rating all but 2 releases 1 star.

thanks for pointing this out, those ratings need to be nuked, he is not a collaborator. 
It's rating abuse, kinda mean spirited, or is it just me? 


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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=7422
 

This collaborator (edit: actually not a collaborator my bad) has rated literally EVERY SINGLE dream theater release on this website as 1 star. It seems this collaborator is still active but I call BS on this one. I don't believe that this person who apparently despises the band has gone out of their way to listen to every single piece of recorded material this band, that he hates, has ever released.

Also, the fact that all the ratings are in a row kinda implies that he likely just clicked through systematically rating all but 2 releases 1 star.

Tis person here is in fact a collaborator with a similar case but to a lesser degree: http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=64154


Edited by dougmcauliffe - October 01 2020 at 05:23
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^In which case, reviews that clearly show the album has been listened to are fine. Ratings, no. 

The ratings have been axed.


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There have been some early reviewer copies distributed ^ but it’s probably not the case
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Wobbler "Dwellers of the Deep" two 5 stars ratings... album out in Oct 23rd...
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Originally posted by TSoP2018 TSoP2018 wrote:

The Flower Kings "Islands" two 5 stars ratings... album out in Oct 30th...


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The Flower Kings "Islands" two 5 stars ratings... album out in Oct 30th...
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^yes, promos are already sent out ... anyhow, there's always some competition going on who will be the first to post a review ... terrible, useless ...


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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:


How can there by ratings and even a review of the new Kansas album when it is not even out yet?

Its sort of been the unwritten rule over the years that reviews are accepted as there are those that get advanced copies. As long as the review indicates that the reviewer actually heard the material (as I suppose should be the case for all reviews). Myself, I received a couple different albums up to a month before release, I suspect because I was ordering other albums artist/label direct and they likely didn't want to deal with 2 different international shipments

Anyway, ratings without reviews do not enjoy the same liberty. This album along with the new Steve Wilson and Haken albums I scoured multiple times before the release date. I apparently wasn't vigilant enough on Kansas. The hilarious thing was the Haken album had numerous ratings that I had to delete multiple times before the release. Then 1 week after release it was still sitting at 0 ratings. LOL 

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^ Guess TenYearsAfter has got their album sample a couple of days before their latest album released.

Not sure about others' ratings though ...
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How can there by ratings and even a review of the new Kansas album when it is not even out yet?
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

OK. So perhaps numeric ratings are ok for some people. I totally understand that. But, if there's no review to accompany the numeric rating, IMO, it doesn't say anything. How can you just assume what the person who rated something was thinking if all you know is the amount of stars they gave to an album? You gotta know the person, that's one thing. But even then, it's still a guessing game.

this thread is in the reporting abuse section of the forum, so if you ask me, the usefulness of rating is not the place to discuss here Make a thread some place if you want to. 
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

OK. So perhaps numeric ratings are ok for some people. I totally understand that. But, if there's no review to accompany the numeric rating, IMO, it doesn't say anything. How can you just assume what the person who rated something was thinking if all you know is the amount of stars they gave to an album? You gotta know the person, that's one thing. But even then, it's still a guessing game.


Although that's broadly true I'm not sure why there would be any good reason to abolish this facility. All you have to go on is how the rater interpreted the descriptions provided for each star rating. With a large enough sample size this can provide a reasonable indication if a PA member might enjoy the album. The 'ratings only review' was intended to make the site more inclusive i.e. to allow non English speakers to contribute. We can debate it's worth certainly but at least it does achieve that.
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