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Points: 2720 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2020 at 07:27
So remember: if some gang breaks into your house, don't defend yourself because you never know, it might be the police.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Here we go again.  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/public-unleashes-outrage-over-breonna-taylor-grand-jury-decision/ar-BB19malv?ocid=msedgntp">https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/public-unleashes-outrage-over-breonna-taylor-grand-jury-decision/ar-BB19malv?ocid=msedgntp
I find more fault with the "no knock" warrant procedure this time around. Putting cops into a heighted state of anxiety has always been a recipe for disaster.
I agree that it was a worst-case scenario of a no knock situation.  The police officers were doing their jobs and were fired upon so they returned fire.  Obviously, mistakes were made.  They did a poor job of surveillance if they thought that she was alone.  It seems as though the police may have also had faulty information.   

Not to blame the victim, but if she knew her ex-boyfriend was a drug dealer and if she continued to "allow" him to have his drugs shipped to her apartment then she is not as innocent as the media is making her out to be.  Not that she deserved to be killed, but being involved in criminal activities does have risks.    

I don't know the facts well enough to know how ex he was.  Was it a recent break-up or had they broke up months ago?  Did she aid him by allowing him to have the drugs delivered to her apartment or did he have them delivered to her apartment without her permission?  The thing that bothers me the most is if the police thought she was in the apartment by herself why did they feel the need to perform a no knock raid at midnight instead of just confronting her during the day?  Element of surprise so she couldn't flush the drugs?  

The whole thing is just sad and unfortunate, but I can understand why criminal charges were not brought against the police officers.  But I can also understand why that result makes a lot of people very unhappy.
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True. Also it makes me wonder whether that grand jury verdict was completely tone deaf, intended to cause further unrest, or both.
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Here we go again.  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/public-unleashes-outrage-over-breonna-taylor-grand-jury-decision/ar-BB19malv?ocid=msedgntp">https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/public-unleashes-outrage-over-breonna-taylor-grand-jury-decision/ar-BB19malv?ocid=msedgntp
I find more fault with the "no knock" warrant procedure this time around. Putting cops into a heighted state of anxiety has always been a recipe for disaster.
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Senator Rand Paul, if you really need an expert to tell you that testing is necessary to keep a pandemic under control you are just plain dumb.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

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This was based on a much longer article in the The Atlantic which is an interesting and kind of scary read. Expect chaos.









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Senator Rand Paul, if you really need an expert to tell you that testing is necessary to keep a pandemic under control you are just plain dumb.

Rand Paul kind of reminds me of Newt Gingrich. He says a lot of big words, talks fast, but ends up making no sense at all or is completely wrong. Sort of like an "intellectual in disguise" con man.
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Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

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This was based on a much longer article in the The Atlantic which is an interesting and kind of scary read. Expect chaos.










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Thinking that less testing results in less cases is like saying the the food is still good if you don't check the expiry date.


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Senator Rand Paul, if you really need an expert to tell you that testing is necessary to keep a pandemic under control you are just plain dumb.


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Here we go again.  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/public-unleashes-outrage-over-breonna-taylor-grand-jury-decision/ar-BB19malv?ocid=msedgntp">https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/public-unleashes-outrage-over-breonna-taylor-grand-jury-decision/ar-BB19malv?ocid=msedgntp
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Ditto.
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^ Agreed, though when you look at the Supreme's photos they all look pretty healthy & youthful (considering).   I think the best we can hope for is a heart attack or cancer which I wouldn't wish on anyone, politics or not.
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The last time I looked, Clarence Thomas was no spring chicken. If Biden gets in in 2020, there is the possibility that balance could be restored back to 5-4. With Roberts again being the swing vote. Now, doesn't that make you feel better?

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^ Well they did.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Liberals had it pretty good for a long time.   


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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

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Don't remember which pollster mentioned this recently, but he said Trump talked the way many working class center right voters do, which was what made them connect to him. 

I have heard this said before, but most center-right working class folks I've had the experience of talking to over the last couple decades of my life don't talk like Trump does. Those that do seem to be in the minority and are usually known as braggarts. Like the rest of us, they know what they are and they tend to try to avoid getting trapped into conversations with braggarts. I don't know how these folks don't see this attribute in Trump. 

If they do see this and are willing to dismiss it, then there is something more going on here. Partly it can be blamed on right-wing media (Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Fox News, etc.) which oversimplifies almost everything into black and white, when most things are many shades of gray. The other part I think is that the Democrats haven't really tried hard enough to reach out to rural populations. And then there is the abortion thing. 

I remembered the pollster.  Rich Thau.  I think he meant more the issues and views Trump brought to the table on immigration, trade, manufacturing exodus than the tone itself.  

Thau has been doing a swing voter project where it would appear huge majorities of his (small) samples are voting against Trump in Pennsylvania but less so in Michigan and the samples are overwhelmingly in favour of Biden in Wisconsin.  Note that these are all people who voted for Trump (I think) in 2016, so even if Biden is splicing off a small minority of them to his side, it could be enough to tip the scales in all three states.

I think Biden has so far reflected better political instincts than Clinton in 2016 and makes up through his folksiness and empathy what he lacks in aggression. Whether it will be enough will only become clear after the election, but he has done well to skirt the usually thinly veiled and sometimes open contempt the rich suburbanite Dems seem to have for working class voters. Case in point:  Stephanie Ruhle getting all upset on air that Biden told working class voters that this election is Scranton v/s Park Avenue.  Well, what else did you think he would tell them, he's going about it smartly, get out of his way.

OK, thanks for clarifying. I agree with everything you have said here.
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Trump will nominate someone and they'll get confirmed.  That's how it works, and Liberals had it pretty good for a long time.   Add to that the fact that many of the conservative justices have tended to be unpredictable in their voting, often in support of civil rights.
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Oh it's happening. No one should be surprised by this. People (mainly liberals) have to accept that it'll be 6-3 for 35+ years if action isn't taken to reshape the court. 
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