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it's Cristi's cat that is guilty.  It has that "sleeping off my misdeeds" look about it Sleepy
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What, Cristi's cat drove of Paul? LOL
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

There is more neo to discuss than Marillion, IQ, and Pendragon.



Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

More neo-prog that needs appreciation!


You're right, there is more neo than Marillion, IQ and Pendragon. I'm new to Sanguine Hum, but it sounds very good, thanks for mentioning it here. Smile
Any Pallas fans here?
Oh, and since when has Cristi driven PsychedelicPaul away? Confused
Anyway, as I asked here... any Pallas fans about here?
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I don’t listen to much Neo-Prog, but I did like The Watch (as already mentioned by ProgArdvaark). You might like the Vacuum album and others (I only know Vacuum).    Also Citizen Cain’s Somewhere but Yesterday might be up your alley (very much in the Genesis vein, some would say too much, as is the Watch in the Genesis vein,, and well, quite a lot of Neo-Prog methinks).

And while it is no longer included in Neo-Prog, it used to be, Discipline is very good. I like Unfolded Like Staircase.

Here is a Citizen Cain track, and I know you like Genesis Duke, but this more reminiscent of Gabriel era.



Other people will likely do better with their suggestions. My favourite of those I mentioned is Discipline, but like I said, it was moved out of Neo-Prog. I think the debut by Discipline is the most Neo-Proggy album by the band .





I’m in the love Neo-Prog and I am a huge fan of both bands you have mentioned and I agree that Discipline’s debut is the most proggy by them
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^He did say the most neo proggy. Wink
I like Discipline too, now I've heard them. I'm very glad there are a lot of Neo fans here, I was worried when I couldn't find an appreciation thread for it (and, as a result, made this one.).
I suppose there aren't many Pallas fans about here? Cry
(don't know why I'm crying, I'm not a Pallas fan, that's why I asked.)
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

it's Cristi's cat that is guilty.  It has that "sleeping off my misdeeds" look about it Sleepy

wait... what?! LOL
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Should people post reviews on neo prog here, or is it the wrong place?
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No answer for about 22 hours. Well, here's my Love over Fear review. It got some criticism because I only bought the album a day before I wrote it. To be fair, I spent the entire day listening to it (I honestly had nothing else worth doing).
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I've just bought this album yesterday, and it surprised me - in a good way. Before hearing I thought Pendragon had had their day since the album "the Masquerade Overture". Luckily, I was wrong. But I'll get one with the review.

The album gets off to an excellent start with fanfare style organs from Clive Nolan on the first track "Everything", before the guitar comes in and bursts into song. This is, in my opinion, one of the best and most important songs on the album as many of it's motifs are repeated in other songs on the album. Anyway, it's a great song and brilliant intro.

"Everything" then flows into "Starfish and the Moon", a quiet, simple song featuring only piano and a soft guitar solo in the middle - and Nick Barrett's excellent vocals, of course. The quiet is undisturbed as the next song, the 8-minute opus "Truth and Lies", comes in with more of that soft guitar - do not be deceived, however, as it soon flows into an harrowing guitar solo - in my opinion, the best on the album. As the harsh, storminess of "Truth and Lies" fades away, a mandolin comes in, signifying the begin of "360 Degrees". After the first verse, the drums enter with bombast pronouncing a happy violin melody. The entire song is inspired by the sea, which would make sense as Nick Barrett is curently living in Cornwall. In fact, the entire album seems sea-orientated - even the cover.

As "360 Degrees" fades away, in comes "Soul and the Sea" - probably the most musically varied track. It begins, like "Truth and Lies", with a soft guitar. Soon the violin comes in and then the drums, followed by somewhat whispered vocals; until all of a sudden it breaks down into a short piano motif. Then, thunderous guitar and drums enter, the vocals now loud and clear, until it fades out with an acoustic guitar.

After "Soul and the Sea" ends, "Eternal Light" begins with a soft but soon loud guitar. After the first lyrics, a motif from "Everything" comes in - and after that, more lyrics, an instrumental section, then yet more lyrics, then the end. I've barely described it there - it is as varied and complex as "Soul and the Sea" - but "Soul and the Sea" gets the most complex prize, as it is much shorter.

Then - "Water" - another long song at seven minutes long. It begin only with a soft, sad guitar, but continues to build up and up as the song goes on, with a great, harsh guitar solo not dissimilar to "Truth and Lies". The album continues with "Whirlwind", a fairly short piano song, that fades into the longest track - "Who Really Are We" - that begins with a thunderous guitar riff, which descends into an acoustic passage with drums, but then breaks down - and builds up again with that thunderous guitar riff with added solo. The final lyrics come in, and then...

"Afraid of Everything", the final track. It enters with a fairly soft guitar, builds up, then swirls out with a beautiful synth solo. A brilliant outro to a brilliant album.

So, to sum up... I didn't want to have my first album review to be five stars for some reason, but here I am forced to. It has both the two requirements I consider for a five star album:

1. The songs are all great. In the words of Special Collaborator chopper, "not a duff track in sight".

2. It works brilliantly as an album. It flows well from song to song, and many songs share motifs.

So... five stars.

What do you think?

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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

No answer for about 22 hours. Well, here's my Love over Fear review. It got some criticism because I only bought the album a day before I wrote it. To be fair, I spent the entire day listening to it (I honestly had nothing else worth doing).
Review:
I've just bought this album yesterday, and it surprised me - in a good way. Before hearing I thought Pendragon had had their day since the album "the Masquerade Overture". Luckily, I was wrong. But I'll get one with the review.

The album gets off to an excellent start with fanfare style organs from Clive Nolan on the first track "Everything", before the guitar comes in and bursts into song. This is, in my opinion, one of the best and most important songs on the album as many of it's motifs are repeated in other songs on the album. Anyway, it's a great song and brilliant intro.

"Everything" then flows into "Starfish and the Moon", a quiet, simple song featuring only piano and a soft guitar solo in the middle - and Nick Barrett's excellent vocals, of course. The quiet is undisturbed as the next song, the 8-minute opus "Truth and Lies", comes in with more of that soft guitar - do not be deceived, however, as it soon flows into an harrowing guitar solo - in my opinion, the best on the album. As the harsh, storminess of "Truth and Lies" fades away, a mandolin comes in, signifying the begin of "360 Degrees". After the first verse, the drums enter with bombast pronouncing a happy violin melody. The entire song is inspired by the sea, which would make sense as Nick Barrett is curently living in Cornwall. In fact, the entire album seems sea-orientated - even the cover.

As "360 Degrees" fades away, in comes "Soul and the Sea" - probably the most musically varied track. It begins, like "Truth and Lies", with a soft guitar. Soon the violin comes in and then the drums, followed by somewhat whispered vocals; until all of a sudden it breaks down into a short piano motif. Then, thunderous guitar and drums enter, the vocals now loud and clear, until it fades out with an acoustic guitar.

After "Soul and the Sea" ends, "Eternal Light" begins with a soft but soon loud guitar. After the first lyrics, a motif from "Everything" comes in - and after that, more lyrics, an instrumental section, then yet more lyrics, then the end. I've barely described it there - it is as varied and complex as "Soul and the Sea" - but "Soul and the Sea" gets the most complex prize, as it is much shorter.

Then - "Water" - another long song at seven minutes long. It begin only with a soft, sad guitar, but continues to build up and up as the song goes on, with a great, harsh guitar solo not dissimilar to "Truth and Lies". The album continues with "Whirlwind", a fairly short piano song, that fades into the longest track - "Who Really Are We" - that begins with a thunderous guitar riff, which descends into an acoustic passage with drums, but then breaks down - and builds up again with that thunderous guitar riff with added solo. The final lyrics come in, and then...

"Afraid of Everything", the final track. It enters with a fairly soft guitar, builds up, then swirls out with a beautiful synth solo. A brilliant outro to a brilliant album.

So, to sum up... I didn't want to have my first album review to be five stars for some reason, but here I am forced to. It has both the two requirements I consider for a five star album:

1. The songs are all great. In the words of Special Collaborator chopper, "not a duff track in sight".

2. It works brilliantly as an album. It flows well from song to song, and many songs share motifs.

So... five stars.

What do you think?


I think you've summed it up very nicely, an excellent review. Clap
The album is an easy 5 stars for me as well. The next thing for you is, if you have the cash, to get the 3 CD box set where you get the acoustic and instrumental versions of the album. The acoustic version in particular is wonderful as well.


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Try Drifting Sun , a stunning band that has great albums .

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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Try Drifting Sun , a stunning band that has great albums .

I'm gonna check them out. Thumbs Up

edit: rather... meh 


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Pallas I’ve got a 2/3 albums of which I haven’t listened to in ages and the last time i played an album it was Dreams Of Men
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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Try Drifting Sun , a stunning band that has great albums .
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Thanks chopper, I liked your review too. 


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Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

Pallas I’ve got a 2/3 albums of which I haven’t listened to in ages and the last time i played an album it was Dreams Of Men

that's a great album , the only thing by Pallas that's really hit me.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

Pallas I’ve got a 2/3 albums of which I haven’t listened to in ages and the last time i played an album it was Dreams Of Men

that's a great album , the only thing by Pallas that's really hit me.
I'll listen to that album, then. I'm new to Pallas. Smile
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by geekfreak geekfreak wrote:

Pallas I’ve got a 2/3 albums of which I haven’t listened to in ages and the last time i played an album it was Dreams Of Men

that's a great album , the only thing by Pallas that's really hit me.
I'll listen to that album, then. I'm new to Pallas. Smile

I dislike their second album, I don't recommend it, but other than that, you can listen to anything else. 
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^Thanks, Cristi.
A sudden thought; what band (that is neither Pendragon nor IQ, of any other old band) is the leading neo prog band today/in recent years?

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^The ones I mentioned earlier in this thread.
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So... Frost, Sylvan, Sanguine Hum and the Psychedelic Ensemble? I understand Sylvan are quite famous. Psychedelic Ensemble come up as "hidden or obscure gems" on the neo prog discography page, though. 
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Satellite, Collage, Quidam, Jadis, Solstice, Galahad, Galleon, Twelftth Night (originators), Nemo, Cromwell, Ziff

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