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I've been meaning to check out Abraxas as well.

Re those Polish bands I mention, most sing in English, though Collage sang in Polish in the early years and one Mr Gil album was in Polish.  One of the Albion albums was also sung in Polish.  One thing I love about Albion is they are a bands that happens to have a female singer, as opposed to be a #bandwithfemalesinger if you know what I mean.  
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^I second that comment. Abraxas' debut was the first Polish album I ever bought, back in the late 1990s.
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The first Abraxas album is quite good as well.
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I'm not crazy about most British neo prog with the exception of a few albums here or there, like "Believe" by PENDRAGON and "The Visitor" by ARENA, but Polish neo prog - well that is another story.  COLLAGE, SATELLITE, BELIEVE, MR GIL (all 4 of those groups are related) and ALBION are all excellent IMO, and MILLENIUM is pretty good too.  I am also a big fan of the Swiss group CLEPSYDRA, not to be confused with an Italian group of the same name.
Thanks, Mr Levine. I personally don't know any Polish (or any non-English) neo bands, thanks for including them here. Big smile
By the way, I, despite frequently forgetting about it, have finally bought Pendragon's Love over Fear. It sounds great, I strongly recommend it to any who hasn't got it yet. Smile


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I'm not crazy about most British neo prog with the exception of a few albums here or there, like "Believe" by PENDRAGON and "The Visitor" by ARENA, but Polish neo prog - well that is another story.  COLLAGE, SATELLITE, BELIEVE, MR GIL (all 4 of those groups are related) and ALBION are all excellent IMO, and MILLENIUM is pretty good too.  I am also a big fan of the Swiss group CLEPSYDRA, not to be confused with an Italian group of the same name.
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

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I really like Arena, up until the Peppers Ghost album, they aint so good on that album and beyond it.

I also like the odd song from IQ and Pendragon.   The Nolan and Wakeman albums are good too.

Ive tried to get into Marrilion too, but all attempts there have failed so far.

What Marillion did you get?


I didnt get any of their albums, ive tried listening to songs of theirs on places like youtube, and on the progressive archives site when you could stream songs on there, and apart from Kayleigh, not one of their songs i got into.   Dont ask me which songs i streamed and from what albums, cause i dont remember now.

Kayleigh was a bit of a one-off song for Marillion... and, if you get the early rough mix of it as I have, the album version actually sounds a lot different and a lot less proggy. There's a theory that Marillion's record company put pressure on them to make Kayleigh much more like a pop song. So if you only like Kayleigh out of what you heard, Marillion's probably not your thing... and neither, probably, is the rough mix of Kayleigh! Wink
A question directed towards the Marillion fans of PA: Who here is agreed that Blind Curve is the best ever Marillion song?


No. But it is a quality song!

But The Great Escape tops it, as do This Strange Engine, The Invisible Man, Sugar Mice and quite a few others (IMHO)
Ok, then. Blind Curve has been my favourite Marillion song since I bought Misplaced Childhood, it's one of those things that don't change, with me at least. Perhaps I should be more open minded. Smile
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

I really like Arena, up until the Peppers Ghost album, they aint so good on that album and beyond it.

I also like the odd song from IQ and Pendragon.   The Nolan and Wakeman albums are good too.

Ive tried to get into Marrilion too, but all attempts there have failed so far.

What Marillion did you get?


I didnt get any of their albums, ive tried listening to songs of theirs on places like youtube, and on the progressive archives site when you could stream songs on there, and apart from Kayleigh, not one of their songs i got into.   Dont ask me which songs i streamed and from what albums, cause i dont remember now.

Kayleigh was a bit of a one-off song for Marillion... and, if you get the early rough mix of it as I have, the album version actually sounds a lot different and a lot less proggy. There's a theory that Marillion's record company put pressure on them to make Kayleigh much more like a pop song. So if you only like Kayleigh out of what you heard, Marillion's probably not your thing... and neither, probably, is the rough mix of Kayleigh! Wink
A question directed towards the Marillion fans of PA: Who here is agreed that Blind Curve is the best ever Marillion song?


No. But it is a quality song!

But The Great Escape tops it, as do This Strange Engine, The Invisible Man, Sugar Mice and quite a few others (IMHO)
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

I know that Kayleigh was Marillions one off attempt at a mainstream rock song, but it did very well, it got to number 2 in the UK top 40 (back when the UK top 40 actually had relevency to song writing talent) .   Ive tried giving Marillion quite a fair amount of chances to impress me with their neo prog rock material, and it just hasent done much for me.

Early Arena albums were Marillion influenced, you can certainly hear that in songs like Out of the Wilderness, Valley of the Kings, and Medusa, but their better.   To me they are like a Marillion that got it right.

I watched this youtube video last night, and the guy who made it obviously agrees with you, as he put Blind Curve at number 1.    That songs more like it, to be fair.


Arena shares more things with Pendragon (they share one of the songwriters in Clive Nolan)  than Marillion (which has distanced from neo-prog if you ask me starting with Brave/Afraid of Sunlight). 
What about Marbles? Would you say that's a neo album?

I would not say it is. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

I know that Kayleigh was Marillions one off attempt at a mainstream rock song, but it did very well, it got to number 2 in the UK top 40 (back when the UK top 40 actually had relevency to song writing talent) .   Ive tried giving Marillion quite a fair amount of chances to impress me with their neo prog rock material, and it just hasent done much for me.

Early Arena albums were Marillion influenced, you can certainly hear that in songs like Out of the Wilderness, Valley of the Kings, and Medusa, but their better.   To me they are like a Marillion that got it right.

I watched this youtube video last night, and the guy who made it obviously agrees with you, as he put Blind Curve at number 1.    That songs more like it, to be fair.


Arena shares more things with Pendragon (they share one of the songwriters in Clive Nolan)  than Marillion (which has distanced from neo-prog if you ask me starting with Brave/Afraid of Sunlight). 
What about Marbles? Would you say that's a neo album?
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Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

I know that Kayleigh was Marillions one off attempt at a mainstream rock song, but it did very well, it got to number 2 in the UK top 40 (back when the UK top 40 actually had relevency to song writing talent) .   Ive tried giving Marillion quite a fair amount of chances to impress me with their neo prog rock material, and it just hasent done much for me.

Early Arena albums were Marillion influenced, you can certainly hear that in songs like Out of the Wilderness, Valley of the Kings, and Medusa, but their better.   To me they are like a Marillion that got it right.

I watched this youtube video last night, and the guy who made it obviously agrees with you, as he put Blind Curve at number 1.    That songs more like it, to be fair.


Arena shares more things with Pendragon (they share one of the songwriters in Clive Nolan)  than Marillion (which has distanced from neo-prog if you ask me starting with Brave/Afraid of Sunlight). 
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^Yes, Blind Curve give a lot of Genesis songs a run for their money (that's a big compliment from me). 
Arena is band I ought to get more into, thanks for making me notice that. Smile 
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I know that Kayleigh was Marillions one off attempt at a mainstream rock song, but it did very well, it got to number 2 in the UK top 40 (back when the UK top 40 actually had relevency to song writing talent) .   Ive tried giving Marillion quite a fair amount of chances to impress me with their neo prog rock material, and it just hasent done much for me.

Early Arena albums were Marillion influenced, you can certainly hear that in songs like Out of the Wilderness, Valley of the Kings, and Medusa, but their better.   To me they are like a Marillion that got it right.

I watched this youtube video last night, and the guy who made it obviously agrees with you, as he put Blind Curve at number 1.    That songs more like it, to be fair.
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Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

I really like Arena, up until the Peppers Ghost album, they aint so good on that album and beyond it.

I also like the odd song from IQ and Pendragon.   The Nolan and Wakeman albums are good too.

Ive tried to get into Marrilion too, but all attempts there have failed so far.
What Marillion did you get?

I didnt get any of their albums, ive tried listening to songs of theirs on places like youtube, and on the progressive archives site when you could stream songs on there, and apart from Kayleigh, not one of their songs i got into.   Dont ask me which songs i streamed and from what albums, cause i dont remember now.
Kayleigh was a bit of a one-off song for Marillion... and, if you get the early rough mix of it as I have, the album version actually sounds a lot different and a lot less proggy. There's a theory that Marillion's record company put pressure on them to make Kayleigh much more like a pop song. So if you only like Kayleigh out of what you heard, Marillion's probably not your thing... and neither, probably, is the rough mix of Kayleigh! Wink
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

In the Seventies, prog was hardly ever called "progressive rock". In Italy it was called "pop", and I also remember definitions like "symphonic rock" and "baroque rock". As to the "neo" label, it is not an invention of this site: it has been used in the specialized press for a while, and you can find it mentioned in Edward Macan's book "Rocking the Classics", published in 1997 (so way before this site came into being.
Thanks. I don't remember this (though I did know about neo prog), but then I didn't used to be into prog, so please, eveyone refer to me as an ignoramus. Smile

prog was definitely called 'progressive rock' in the seventies
Well, that's what I thought.
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

In the Seventies, prog was hardly ever called "progressive rock". In Italy it was called "pop", and I also remember definitions like "symphonic rock" and "baroque rock". As to the "neo" label, it is not an invention of this site: it has been used in the specialized press for a while, and you can find it mentioned in Edward Macan's book "Rocking the Classics", published in 1997 (so way before this site came into being.
Thanks. I don't remember this (though I did know about neo prog), but then I didn't used to be into prog, so please, eveyone refer to me as an ignoramus. Smile

prog was definitely called 'progressive rock' in the seventies
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

I really like Arena, up until the Peppers Ghost album, they aint so good on that album and beyond it.

I also like the odd song from IQ and Pendragon.   The Nolan and Wakeman albums are good too.

Ive tried to get into Marrilion too, but all attempts there have failed so far.
What Marillion did you get?

I didnt get any of their albums, ive tried listening to songs of theirs on places like youtube, and on the progressive archives site when you could stream songs on there, and apart from Kayleigh, not one of their songs i got into.   Dont ask me which songs i streamed and from what albums, cause i dont remember now.
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Originally posted by Greenmist Greenmist wrote:

I really like Arena, up until the Peppers Ghost album, they aint so good on that album and beyond it.

I also like the odd song from IQ and Pendragon.   The Nolan and Wakeman albums are good too.

Ive tried to get into Marrilion too, but all attempts there have failed so far.
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

In the Seventies, prog was hardly ever called "progressive rock". In Italy it was called "pop", and I also remember definitions like "symphonic rock" and "baroque rock". As to the "neo" label, it is not an invention of this site: it has been used in the specialized press for a while, and you can find it mentioned in Edward Macan's book "Rocking the Classics", published in 1997 (so way before this site came into being.
Thanks. I don't remember this (though I did know about neo prog), but then I didn't used to be into prog, so please, eveyone refer to me as an ignoramus. Smile
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I really like Arena, up until the Peppers Ghost album, they aint so good on that album and beyond it.

I also like the odd song from IQ and Pendragon.   The Nolan and Wakeman albums are good too.

Ive tried to get into Marrilion too, but all attempts there have failed so far.
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In the Seventies, prog was hardly ever called "progressive rock". In Italy it was called "pop", and I also remember definitions like "symphonic rock" and "baroque rock". As to the "neo" label, it is not an invention of this site: it has been used in the specialized press for a while, and you can find it mentioned in Edward Macan's book "Rocking the Classics", published in 1997 (so way before this site came into being.
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