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Points: 2477 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2020 at 07:01
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

And another one: 
Why are Americans so obsessed with their flag and their National Anthem?
I personally might be a bit miffed if someone burned or wiped their arse on the Union Jack, but I don't get any great sense of pride from it: it's just a bit of cloth after all. Americans seem to have a particular reverence for their flag, to the extent of having one in almost every classroom.
And whilst the US National Anthem is considerably better than our dreadful dreadful dirge (though I am pleased that the Queen should be saved and, if anyone is going to save her, God is a pretty good choice), I can't see why regarding American Football players who refuse to stand for The Star-Spangled Banner as national traitors.
I have never stood for God Save the Queen as I normally fall asleep during it because it's SO boring, and am scared of hurting myself if I fall over. And I've never sung it, partly in protest at the 4th verse which is blatantly racist.
But there again, I'm a Republican. Please don't get the idea that this means that I am a supporter in any way of the 45th President, a man who has probably done more to destroy what remains of the "special relationship" between our two great nations and greatly damaged the reputation of that office in the view of the vast majority of Britons. A Republican in the UK is one who wants to abolish the British monarchy and replace it with an elected Head of State, albeit a ceremonial one quite unlike the US president.
At some point, I'll raise the matter of the Second Amendment, but I'm not brave enough at the moment.
Hey! British people are patriotic too!!


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Americans worship their flag because of the ideals that it represents. Many of those ideals may have not been realized, but the goal is still lofty when compared to the ideals and ideologies of other nations. The American National Anthem actually celebrates the American Flag, so it's in the American consciousness.

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Is anyone else having a hard time reading the light green print or is that just my poor eyesight?
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^^ It is not only light but also fluorescent green. It should be used for highlighting purposes only, not this way methinks.
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I suppose my eyesight's got worse. It seemed quite a bland shade of green to me.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Is anyone else having a hard time reading the light green print or is that just my poor eyesight?


Yes. I had a hard time reading.
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I edited it.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Is anyone else having a hard time reading the light green print or is that just my poor eyesight?
I'm legally blind, so I asked my grand daughter to read it to me. Now she locked herself in her room and won't speak to me. LOL
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I like Oliver but he is missing the point, and his talking points have been openly discussed for months if not years.   Yes there are many things in history most people don't know about, including John Oliver and his "I'm a little smarter than you and here's why"  style.

He is as misinformed as the very people and events he's calling out.   Real history, even recent history, can never be fully grasped by anybody, and anyone who says they know better is lying or misinformed...   because everyone is misinformed.   The difference is that in the U.S. these things are openly and vigorously talked about, which is more than I can say for many cultures.

It's just another Brit who feels so guilty about his own country's past that sniping at America is his next best option.   He is a smart and ethical man, but he should look inward and stop slamming a people who are struggling to come to terms with their past.
You reckon Britain's authoritarian? Try Switzerland. Or even better, Russia.
And I don't think he was that guilty about Britain's past - or, at least, I don't think that had anything to do with it. A lot of Brits just dislike America on principle.

What a weak and incomprehensible response.   I think you've made my point.
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

We thought 2016 was a ride...apparently that's nothing compared to what 2017 has in store!
So new year, new thread, maybe a permanent one? After all political discussion will continue past 2017, if the world makes it past 2017LOL......
I just reread the very first post on this thread by JJLehto, and quoted the first sentence (above).

Oh, what naive waifs we were back then! What noobs! What rubes! To think anything from back then could help us make sense of 2020. Things are so f*ked up, we don't even care about murder hornets, hurricanes or Australia burning up.

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I like Oliver but he is missing the point, and his talking points have been openly discussed for months if not years.   Yes there are many things in history most people don't know about, including John Oliver and his "I'm a little smarter than you and here's why"  style.

He is as misinformed as the very people and events he's calling out.   Real history, even recent history, can never be fully grasped by anybody, and anyone who says they know better is lying or misinformed...   because everyone is misinformed.   The difference is that in the U.S. these things are openly and vigorously talked about, which is more than I can say for many cultures.

It's just another Brit who feels so guilty about his own country's past that sniping at America is his next best option.   He is a smart and ethical man, but he should look inward and stop slamming a people who are struggling to come to terms with their past.
You reckon Britain's authoritarian? Try Switzerland. Or even better, Russia.
And I don't think he was that guilty about Britain's past - or, at least, I don't think that had anything to do with it. A lot of Brits just dislike America on principle.

What a weak and incomprehensible response.   I think you've made my point.


Just pointing out the facts. I'm not trying or going to arguing with you. I don't think some British people's dislike of America is an excuse, nor do I think there are actually that many people like that. 


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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

What a weak and incomprehensible response.   I think you've made my point.
A weak response if I was trying to argue with you. But I wasn't and will not.
Incomprehensible? Unless you mean the green highlighter, I'm not sure what you mean there.
That's all I have to say.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

The left as communists or socialists? Just a way for the right to demonize them, nothing more. Unfortunately, the Trump followers swallow this tripe hook, line and sinker.


Exactly right....er...correct.

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More history, here is a map of the countries that England never invaded:

http://www.humanosphere.org/basics/2013/08/map-of-the-day-where-the-brits-never-invaded/
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

The left as communists or socialists? Just a way for the right to demonize them, nothing more. Unfortunately, the Trump followers swallow this tripe hook, line and sinker.


Exactly right....er...correct.

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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

More history, here is a map of the countries that England never invaded:

http://www.humanosphere.org/basics/2013/08/map-of-the-day-where-the-brits-never-invaded/
  That is pretty sparse!
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

More history, here is a map of the countries that England never invaded:

http://www.humanosphere.org/basics/2013/08/map-of-the-day-where-the-brits-never-invaded/
  That is pretty sparse!

And yet there's apparently only three countries the US hasn't invaded. So the US wins! Lol.
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Points: 10679 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2020 at 13:31
^ These days the US and England do their war mongering together.

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Susan Rice, Kamala Harris, Karen Bass, Val Demings?  Who's your pick?  It seems to boil down to these four for Democrat VP candidate.  
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