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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I don't know a whole lot about them but I don't think they are the new Pink Floyd. If anyone is it's probably this band called airbag.
 
Mostly Autumn sounded mostly like Pink Floyd on their Pink Floyd Revisited DVD. Wink
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I don't know a whole lot about them but I don't think they are the new Pink Floyd. If anyone is it's probably this band called airbag.
 
Mostly Autumn sounded mostly like Pink Floyd on their Pink Floyd Revisited DVD. Wink

So I just gave The Last Bright Light album a listen and I'm not hearing many Floyd references, it's mainly Folk prog with a heavier / rockier feel. Anything I'm missing? Any other albums I should try? 

If the only place they're the 'next Pink Floyd' is on a DVD of covers then I'm better off listening to the real thing, or The Decemberist, or Voivod.

It's nice enough stuff but hardly earth shattering.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I don't know a whole lot about them but I don't think they are the new Pink Floyd. If anyone is it's probably this band called airbag.
 
Mostly Autumn sounded mostly like Pink Floyd on their Pink Floyd Revisited DVD. Wink

So I just gave The Last Bright Light album a listen and I'm not hearing many Floyd references, it's mainly Folk prog with a heavier / rockier feel. Anything I'm missing? Any other albums I should try? 

If the only place they're the 'next Pink Floyd' is on a DVD of covers then I'm better off listening to the real thing, or The Decemberist, or Voivod.

It's nice enough stuff but hardly earth shattering.
The epic song "Heroes Never Die" sounds very reminiscent of Pink Floyd to my ears.
 
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MA leader Bryan Josh never made a secret of his admiration to Pink Floyd and Gilmour's guitar playing. Bryan says "It's in the blood" and you can hear gilmouresque guitar in many MA songs. I would say it's one of the band's trademarks, though MA have the sound of their own.

So PF inflences are obvious. Are Mostly Autumn the new Pink Floyd? - Definitely no.
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This thread title seems to change and evolve as Psychedelic Paul becomes more familiar with older albums by MA, where the band, and guitarist Josh, were heavily indebted to Floyd and Gilmour. They moved more into their own neo prog sound on more current albums, but were never in the hunt to dethrone Floyd or anyone else.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

This thread title seems to change and evolve as Psychedelic Paul becomes more familiar with older albums by MA, where the band, and guitarist Josh, were heavily indebted to Floyd and Gilmour. They moved more into their own neo prog sound on more current albums, but were never in the hunt to dethrone Floyd or anyone else.
 
It wouldn't be the first time I've changed a thread title, or the last. Wink
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Yeah, we know.
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I’m on my iPad and page two won’t even open, gets stalled in loading. I think it’s probably too many video embeds, I can overdo that myself in topics and have received complaints. One thing, avoid posting lots of tracks from albums or full albums. That has been a policy. Just post ones you particularly like or that make a certain case. If people want to check out more, they can always look up YouTube, or one could in cases just provide a link to playlists and individual videos on YouTube. As for that last video, I hear a latter day Pink Floyd sound. It sounds fairly generic to me.

This off that same album, the debut, sounds very Pink Floyd to me.



It s not reminiscent of my favourite Pink Floyd periods, the more out there 60s through early 70s Pink Floyd psych and more experimental or underground period.   It’s more like the most commercial and slick sounding, to my ears, of Pink Floyd.
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^ I'll go back and delete some of those "That Night in Leamington" videos from Page 2. Wink
 
Okay, I've now deleted 13 videos from Page 2 so I hope that helps, although it took me awhile to delete them all, as I had to wait for the page to reload each time. Wink


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Given that I have a spare 5 minutes, as a huge fan of the band, and, unlike Paul, very familiar with them, I will answer the main question in the thread.

The comparison as the “New Pink Floyd” is utterly preposterous. A lot of this actually came about from an interview conducted with the late, great, Richard Wright on BBC Radio Two a number of years ago. When asked what floated his boat, he mentioned the fact that he had been “grooving” to a “new band” (they were not that new) called Mostly Autumn, and made reference to the fact that they had Floydian sounds inherent in the music.

Cue the, perhaps understandably, rush on the part of MA to build upon such a glittering endorsement of their work. The “Pink Floyd Revisited” DVD is the resulting “live experience”. I have never reviewed this, but, in truth, I regard it as a mistake. There is a terrible syncing issue between the visual and the vocal, but my main gripe about it is the simple fact that this great band’s music stands up very well in its own right. They were, and are, so much more than a simple “neo-prog” band. They are wholly original, creative, and emotional. Yes, quite clearly they have influences. In fact, Probably the biggest influence in terms of their live career was the endorsement of Ritchie Blackmore, who heard something very unique in the band and Josh especially. As a result of,this, the band supported Blackmore’s Night and also Rainbow on the comeback tour.

There is only one Pink Floyd. Equally, there is only one Mostly Autumn. Forget the comparisons, because, in the main, they do not really exist.
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I agree that MA have morphed their music into an original sound, but neo prog still fits them.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I agree that MA have morphed their music into an original sound, but neo prog still fits them.
I was once criticised for having the audacity to include Mostly Autumn in my Neo-Prog poll, although I won't say who criticised me. Wink
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Well, these things are always contentious, but for the sake of convenience, Neo prog fits the bill. At least it does to me. Wink

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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

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So I just gave The Last Bright Light album a listen and I'm not hearing many Floyd references, it's mainly Folk prog with a heavier / rockier feel. Anything I'm missing? Any other albums I should try? 
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Hi,

A lot of times it is easy to say that it sounds like and such, but as was the case in the old days, the same instrument in Germany or Italy, still sounded the same ... but not sure if it was MA or not, that the guitarist seemed like he was a DG fan ... and it made it sound like it was PF in that it seemed like the "solo's" and parts that are emphasized by the guitar were defined just like it might have been PF ... but, honestly, for me comparisons like that are bad ... people still say that Le Orme sounds like ELP and PF and what not ... and that, for me, is just really bad listening, and more than likely not to the whole album, either ... just bits and pieces of one song!

It's hard to not say that it sounds like ... when there is one sound that is so familiar to all of us ... and that really makes it hard for new musicians with the same instruments ... they won't get the chance because they were always compared first ... but like a few other bands, didn't MA also do some PF covers? 

It's almost like saying that every concerto or symphony has to sound like Mozart or Beethoven ... and you know that folks saying that, just like that ... are ... yeah, right! 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Lazland's excellent reviews for some of Mostly Autumn's albums:-
 
 
 
 
 
The Ghost Moon Orchestra (2012:- http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=852595
 
 
 

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

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So I just gave The Last Bright Light album a listen and I'm not hearing many Floyd references, it's mainly Folk prog with a heavier / rockier feel. Anything I'm missing? Any other albums I should try? 
...

Hi,

A lot of times it is easy to say that it sounds like and such, but as was the case in the old days, the same instrument in Germany or Italy, still sounded the same ... but not sure if it was MA or not, that the guitarist seemed like he was a DG fan ... and it made it sound like it was PF in that it seemed like the "solo's" and parts that are emphasized by the guitar were defined just like it might have been PF ... but, honestly, for me comparisons like that are bad ... people still say that Le Orme sounds like ELP and PF and what not ... and that, for me, is just really bad listening, and more than likely not to the whole album, either ... just bits and pieces of one song!

It's hard to not say that it sounds like ... when there is one sound that is so familiar to all of us ... and that really makes it hard for new musicians with the same instruments ... they won't get the chance because they were always compared first ... but like a few other bands, didn't MA also do some PF covers? 

It's almost like saying that every concerto or symphony has to sound like Mozart or Beethoven ... and you know that folks saying that, just like that ... are ... yeah, right! 
 


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

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So I just gave The Last Bright Light album a listen and I'm not hearing many Floyd references, it's mainly Folk prog with a heavier / rockier feel. Anything I'm missing? Any other albums I should try? 
...

Hi,

A lot of times it is easy to say that it sounds like and such, but as was the case in the old days, the same instrument in Germany or Italy, still sounded the same ... but not sure if it was MA or not, that the guitarist seemed like he was a DG fan ... and it made it sound like it was PF in that it seemed like the "solo's" and parts that are emphasized by the guitar were defined just like it might have been PF ... but, honestly, for me comparisons like that are bad ... people still say that Le Orme sounds like ELP and PF and what not ... and that, for me, is just really bad listening, and more than likely not to the whole album, either ... just bits and pieces of one song!

It's hard to not say that it sounds like ... when there is one sound that is so familiar to all of us ... and that really makes it hard for new musicians with the same instruments ... they won't get the chance because they were always compared first ... but like a few other bands, didn't MA also do some PF covers? 

It's almost like saying that every concerto or symphony has to sound like Mozart or Beethoven ... and you know that folks saying that, just like that ... are ... yeah, right! 
I agree mosh. Neo prog is more of an indicator of an era than of a requisite set of sound characteristics. But as I stated many, many times before, assigning a genre or sub genre (any genre or sub genre) is done more in the interests of convenience than accuracy.

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

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I agree mosh. Neo prog is more of an indicator of an era than of a requisite set of sound characteristics. But as I stated many, many times before, assigning a genre or sub genre (any genre or sub genre) is done more in the interests of convenience than accuracy.

Hi,

I'm OK with "neo-prog" as a term ... the only thing that might bother me, is that it looks like some folks don't consider it as good a piece of music as the "original" prog.

In situations like this my preferences is to find a way not to use the term ... and still consider the band.

Comparisons between "today's" bands, and "yesterday's" bands is a kind of dead end for me ... the electronics used now, cheat so much and change the music so much that it prevents you and I from making an honest opinion about the music ... remember both The Edge and Andy Summers have shown how the electronics in their guitar makes it sound nice to your ear, whereas when the electronics are taken out it sounds awful.

Stuff like this makes the "older" material not sound as "good" or as "modern" as things can be these days ... and I tend to not do comparisons on these things ... even blues on blues in clubs is not the same as it was 50 years ago ... the "raw" quality (no effects of any kind except a cheesy one or so), is gone and replaced by something that sounds better for our ears these days ... and I think that it takes away from the real blues ... and reminds me of a special on Jack White (VH-1 special) where he wants to play just like the old record sounded, which he admitted might make it sound not as good as people hear things today.

MA is a fine, fine band ... and really deserves better. And PA could do a smidge better ... but I'm not sure when so many of the bigger folks here, also participate to defend their favorite group!

I'm guessing that we need to dump "favorite" and start paying attention to more music in order to help bands like MA a bit more!


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