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Posted: July 20 2020 at 13:19

There is just one small area of Portland that is affected, I am 30 miles from all of that. But the Feds scare me much more, with what they are doing.

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Posted: July 20 2020 at 14:25

^ That's informative, from the news you'd think the city was in complete chaos. Portland is my second home so it's good to know the City of Roses is not in flames.

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Posted: July 20 2020 at 14:27

rushfan4 wrote:

On a walk through my neighborhood I saw about 10-15 Trump-Pence signs out on the lawn and 0 Biden-? signs on the lawn. I suppose that until ? become an actual person there aren't any signs to put out on the lawn. I have a feeling that Macomb County is voting Red again this year.

What stuns me is that he still polls at about 40% with registered voters.

40 freakin' percent.

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Posted: July 20 2020 at 14:34

Atavachron wrote:

^ That's informative, from the news you'd think the city was in complete chaos. Portland is my second home so it's good to know the City of Roses is not in flames.

The protests have been in more than one location, but not every one has turned into a riot by a long shot. They seem to have been agitated more by the Feds, truly. I am not behind destruction of property, and think statues should come down by mandate and used to educate in a museum setting, not as monuments to greatness. BUT I am also completely against the tactics the Feds have now used and since they are not wanted by the governor nor mayor, that they should not be here. And they certainly should not be doing what they are doing.

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Posted: July 20 2020 at 14:42

I'll be curious to see how what is going on there plays out legally.. ie the courts..

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Posted: July 20 2020 at 14:48

Atavachron wrote:

What stuns me is that he still polls at about 40% with registered voters.

40 freakin' percent.

what stuns me even more.. though it is a ray of hope haha

only 50% of registered voters say they will not vote for Trump in any.. any circumstance.. hypothetical or otherwise. Well.... speaking of the hypothetical..

depressing.. but a ray of hope.. it is 2020 you know.. and I'm not really sure anyone knows what happens if Trump is the only living and breathing option at the voting box, I do remember some years back an Senate election in Missouri where we did elect someone posthumously.

i joke about it .. but only because ... would anyone really be surprised at the rate this year has gone.. about us voting for a corpse for President and it winning. Nothing would say 2020 more than that..

Edited by micky - July 20 2020 at 14:50

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Posted: July 20 2020 at 15:02

micky wrote:

I'll be curious to see how what is going on there plays out legally.. ie the courts..

Yes, they are suing the Feds for seizing and detaining protestors without probable cause. Edited because they have indeed filed that suit.

Edited by Snicolette - July 20 2020 at 15:03

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Posted: July 20 2020 at 15:06

yep... don't someone, the mayor or the Gov... also file suit to get those Feds out of the streets or did I hear wrong.

Zero f**king jurisdiction.. Portland aint' DC..

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Posted: July 20 2020 at 15:20

continuing to riff in the Phrygian here

actually we had a good discussion today at the office. What happens if....

Biden does pass or is incapacitated after he is formally nominated... but before the point of no return.. which is not too far in the future so it would take a truly 2020ian twist of fate to come to pass

I think everyone suspects that mail in voting will blow past any past levels .. and first ballots go out in some states after Labor Day. So if Biden was not able to serve ....much into September .. well.. he is who would be on the ballot.

But say the timing falls out to where the DNC has to select someone to be the nominee to replace Biden.. who might it be.

Some thought Cuomo... I countered with who not only I'd love to see.. but think would indeed happen

Elizabeth Warren as a bridge candidate between left and center. Because you know Bernie would want it.. and the DNC wouldn't take the chance of completely ripping the party apart at such a late stage so would have to do a compromise.

Edited by micky - July 20 2020 at 15:22

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Posted: July 20 2020 at 15:29

Local news re the suit: https://www.koin.com/news/protests/oregon-files-suit-against-feds-over-protest-response/

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Posted: July 20 2020 at 15:52

Of course fox news tries to make them all out to be agitators and the "radical left." Confused

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Posted: July 20 2020 at 16:31

Tucker Carlson's response to his fired racist writer was limp and bitter. No surprise.

I think his sponsors are down to MyPillow and toenail fungus remover.

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Posted: July 20 2020 at 22:51

What would worry me most is the time frame.

Say Biden is elected, he'd take office in January 2021, still half a year away. Can you imagine what things will look like by then? Half a year ago, the virus hadn't even got off the ground, the Black Lives Matter protests were still on the horizon, and look at the state of things now. It's taken just over three months to get to this point, so there's about double that time still to come until Biden (if that happens). That's scary, especially as the pandemic is still on an exponential trajectory, and Trump's private militia is just starting to hit the streets.

Edited by npjnpj - July 20 2020 at 23:04

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Posted: July 21 2020 at 01:29

Two things I wanted to add about the response to the pandemic, the first of which I suppose is close to conspiracy theory, but I can't help but wonder.

I find it remarkable that the winding down of the actions of the pandemic response team should coincide with the realisation that Covid disproportionately effect poor and black communities. Are white casualties considered collateral damage? Reeks of Stephen Miller.

So, with that out of the way, just my observation about the US response in general. I, just like many others outside the US, have been watching the development there with growing disbelief. The US would be the foremost country in the world to technically deal with this. The numbers grow and grow with little or no reaction, and I sit and think: Surely, at some point they must notice something. But week after week goes by and .... nothing, especially from the Republican side. So I'm wondering: what could possibly worse than millions of infected and tens of thousands of deaths? Probable answer: a mean tweet from the president, apparently.

How on earth is future history going to explain this?

Edited by npjnpj - July 21 2020 at 02:45

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Posted: July 21 2020 at 05:19

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Tucker Carlson's response to his fired racist writer was limp and bitter. No surprise.

I think his sponsors are down to MyPillow and toenail fungus remover.

Mike Lindel, the owner of My Pillow, just released his autobiography that's called "From Crack Head To CEO." And no, this is not a joke. Google it.

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Posted: July 21 2020 at 13:57

SteveG wrote:

Atavachron wrote:

Tucker Carlson's response to his fired racist writer was limp and bitter. No surprise.

I think his sponsors are down to MyPillow and toenail fungus remover.

Mike Lindel, the owner of My Pillow, just released his autobiography that's called "From Crack Head To CEO." And no, this is not a joke. Google it.

From what I gather he's become the poster boy for the right wing and the power of God.....and pillows made it happen.

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Posted: July 21 2020 at 14:03

SteveG wrote:

Atavachron wrote:

Tucker Carlson's response to his fired racist writer was limp and bitter. No surprise.

I think his sponsors are down to MyPillow and toenail fungus remover.

Mike Lindel, the owner of My Pillow, just released his autobiography that's called "From Crack Head To CEO." And no, this is not a joke. Google it.

I don't have to, he runs a long infomercial all about the book, his crack days, Christianity, and love of Trump. Spectacular late-night TV.

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Posted: July 21 2020 at 14:03

I guess you have to be asleep to fall for any of what's been going on lately.

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Posted: July 21 2020 at 15:17

^ or living in 'the bubble' which .. what.. 40% seem to be.

interesting topic of discussion in the office today.. until we found out what Fairfax Co did...the right move... regarding the battle between local and Trump/DeVoss about reopening the schools

so given teh choice.. between voting absentee/mail or voting in person. Which do you all think you will do.

Here is a nice summation of how each state has.. or has not.. changed its policies regarding voting in the Covid world

https://ballotpedia.org/Changes_to_absentee/mail-in_voting_procedures_in_response_to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020

for myself... perhaps it is the smart thing to do to vote via the mail or absentee but probably won't do it as long as ol' Sam Tucker is still used as my local voting spot (heard that some states have severely resricting actual voting locations during this spring and summer primary season)

I remember 2018 and voting.. as I noted in my thoughts I posted here when that election happeened.

You felt it.. .a long line... you felt like you were joined together with your neighbors.. fellow residents and doing your civic duty. I remember talking with one of the volunteers after I voted.. and asked her.. have you EVER seen turnout like this before. (noting that I live in a deeply 80-20ish blue area in a now very blue state...with zero competitive races) and she she .. no she hadn't.. never had.

we had a good laugh when I told her.. well.. get ready for 2020..

anyhow.. I think I'd really miss that person to person interaction.. fellow voters.. the volunteers.. the actual process of voting with a damn machine .. and getting that silly sticker. I think I'd put up with a lot of crap.. lines. whatever that social distancing requires. to cast a physical vote

what about you all.. given it any thought yet.. as I noted yesterday.. we are approaching mere weeks away before we can get ballots and vote via mail

Edited by micky - July 21 2020 at 15:19

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Posted: July 21 2020 at 15:26

^ I voted in person today, local state politics. The polling place had all the necessary precautions and it was less 'germy' than a trip to the store.
I'll vote in person for the presidential election too. Early voting has made polling places much less crowded.
I don't go out for much, groceries and voting, thats about it.

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