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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I love Rotters’ Club to death but I fully get why others don’t. Hell my best friend is all kinds of crazy for the Canterbury sound and has been for 15 years...yet he’s not wild about Hatfield & The North. He loves National Health though...which I always found extremely odd as both bands seem to straddle the looneybin outskirts of the Canterbury sound...which perhaps isn’t all that strange considering who is playing what


Agree. I totally get why others don't. I just find it strangets when someone reviews an album and can only state that they don't get it. Why even bother?

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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I love Rotters’ Club to death but I fully get why others don’t. Hell my best friend is all kinds of crazy for the Canterbury sound and has been for 15 years...yet he’s not wild about Hatfield & The North. He loves National Health though...which I always found extremely odd as both bands seem to straddle the looneybin outskirts of the Canterbury sound...which perhaps isn’t all that strange considering who is playing what
There are some bands in the Canterbury Scene who I really like a lot, such as Caravan, Khan and National Health, for instance, but then there are other Canterbury Scene bands who I've never really been able to get into, such as Gong, Soft Machine, Egg, Matching Mole and Hatfield & the North, so I'm basically in agreement with your best friend. Smile


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I mentioned them earlier on but I feel Needlepoint deserve a post of their own. These guys are quite simply brilliant. They absolutely nail that oh so elusive 70s feel both in chops and production.
Both Aimless Mary and The Diary Of Robert Reverie feel like lost classic Canterbury albums from around 1972. If you dig your Caravan, Hatfield and early Softs, you need to hear this band:
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I have much better access to National Health than to Hatfield and the North, and Rotters' Club is one of these "respect but not love" albums for me. Full of interesting stuff, but to my intuition not all of this makes musical sense. And I'm surely not somebody who needs stuff to be melodic and nice. Although maybe I've not listened enough to it either. Anyway, more intellectual & complex doesn't always mean better.
I agree. I much prefer National Health's first album too. The Rotters' Club is an album I can respect as a good album, but it's not an album I'd actually want to go out and spend good money on. If I really didn't like the album though, I would have given it two stars. I listened to Matching Mole's first album recently and didn't like it at all, so I chose not to review it rather than give it a negative two star rating. Smile


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I have much better access to National Health than to Hatfield and the North, and Rotters' Club is one of these "respect but not love" albums for me. Full of interesting stuff, but to my intuition not all of this makes musical sense. And I'm surely not somebody who needs stuff to be melodic and nice. Although maybe I've not listened enough to it either. Anyway, more intellectual & complex doesn't always mean better.
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


I've reviewed five Canterbury Scene albums so far:-
 
KHAN - Space Shanty 5 stars
STEVE HILLAGE - Fish Rising 4 stars
NATIONAL HEALTH - National Health 4 stars
QUIET SUN - Mainstream 3 stars
HATFIELD & THE NORTH - The Rotters' Club 3 stars
 


If you only gave Rotter's Club 3 stars then you clearly don't understand the Canterbury Scene. That album is pretty much the pinnacle of the entire sound that evolved out of the Soft Machine / Caravan / Egg paradigm.

Many albums lumped into the genre like Steve Hillage and Gong are really more psychedelic space rock. Canterbury Scene is a unique brand of jazz-rock with prog tendencies. Hatfield & The North's albums are THE quintessential examples of this sound. Keep listening. It hasn't revealed its secrets yet or you're not listening close enough.

You're right. That's pretty much what I said at the end of my review. The music of Hatfield & the North is too complex for me to fully understand or truly appreciate, so I couldn't honestly give it a higher rating than three stars. I know most PA members gave The Rotter's Club a four or five star rating, but my rating and review is just my own personal point of view. Yes, it IS a good album, but I only give four or five star ratings  to albums that I'd actually want to go out and buy and spend £10 on, but I can't say that about Hatfield & the North, but then again, I've only listened to The Rotters' Club album twice, so maybe it's an album that requires several listens to really get into it.
 
I do like Steve Hillage's first four albums though, despite not being a big fan of his band, Gong. Smile



If you've only listened to it twice, what makes you think you could possibly write a review about it? It literally took me about five years for it to sink in and I'm an eclectic avid music consumer as well as a musician. Youre attempting to critique something above your comprehension and in the process offer no insight into the music itself. I personally don't review albums until I understand them on a deeper level

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

If you only gave Rotter's Club 3 stars then you clearly don't understand the Canterbury Scene. That album is pretty much the pinnacle of the entire sound that evolved out of the Soft Machine / Caravan / Egg paradigm.

Many albums lumped into the genre like Steve Hillage and Gong are really more psychedelic space rock. Canterbury Scene is a unique brand of jazz-rock with prog tendencies. Hatfield & The North's albums are THE quintessential examples of this sound. Keep listening. It hasn't revealed its secrets yet or you're not listening close enough.
Agreed. In Paul's review of The Rotter's Club he apparently doesn't enjoy the silly lyrics, the song titles, and the jazzy, disjointed, complex arrangements and interludes. He prefers the melodic and harmonious sounds of Camel and Caravan to the "bizarre musical world" of Hatfield and the North. That's okay, but for me The Rotters Club is a masterpiece. Paul tries, but it is obvious he does not understand the Canterbury Scene. 


I agree with Paul's opinion of Khan's Space Shanty but not his view of Hatfield and the North.
That's perfectly fine. I don't expect everyone to agree with my reviews because they're just my own personal opinion, but it's good to know you agreed with my review for Khan's superb  Space Shanty album. Smile


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I love Rotters’ Club to death but I fully get why others don’t. Hell my best friend is all kinds of crazy for the Canterbury sound and has been for 15 years...yet he’s not wild about Hatfield & The North. He loves National Health though...which I always found extremely odd as both bands seem to straddle the looneybin outskirts of the Canterbury sound...which perhaps isn’t all that strange considering who is playing what
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I've reviewed five Canterbury Scene albums so far:-
 
KHAN - Space Shanty 5 stars
STEVE HILLAGE - Fish Rising 4 stars
NATIONAL HEALTH - National Health 4 stars
QUIET SUN - Mainstream 3 stars
HATFIELD & THE NORTH - The Rotters' Club 3 stars
 


If you only gave Rotter's Club 3 stars then you clearly don't understand the Canterbury Scene. That album is pretty much the pinnacle of the entire sound that evolved out of the Soft Machine / Caravan / Egg paradigm.

Many albums lumped into the genre like Steve Hillage and Gong are really more psychedelic space rock. Canterbury Scene is a unique brand of jazz-rock with prog tendencies. Hatfield & The North's albums are THE quintessential examples of this sound. Keep listening. It hasn't revealed its secrets yet or you're not listening close enough.
You're right. That's pretty much what I said at the end of my review. The music of Hatfield & the North is too complex for me to fully understand or truly appreciate, so I couldn't honestly give it a higher rating than three stars. I know most PA members gave The Rotter's Club a four or five star rating, but my rating and review is just my own personal point of view. Yes, it IS a good album, but I only give four or five star ratings  to albums that I'd actually want to go out and buy and spend £10 on, but I can't say that about Hatfield & the North, but then again, I've only listened to The Rotters' Club album twice, so maybe it's an album that requires several listens to really get into it.
 
I do like Steve Hillage's first four albums though, despite not being a big fan of his band, Gong. Smile


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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

If you only gave Rotter's Club 3 stars then you clearly don't understand the Canterbury Scene. That album is pretty much the pinnacle of the entire sound that evolved out of the Soft Machine / Caravan / Egg paradigm.

Many albums lumped into the genre like Steve Hillage and Gong are really more psychedelic space rock. Canterbury Scene is a unique brand of jazz-rock with prog tendencies. Hatfield & The North's albums are THE quintessential examples of this sound. Keep listening. It hasn't revealed its secrets yet or you're not listening close enough.
Agreed. In Paul's review of The Rotter's Club he apparently doesn't enjoy the silly lyrics, the song titles, and the jazzy, disjointed, complex arrangements and interludes. He prefers the melodic and harmonious sounds of Camel and Caravan to the "bizarre musical world" of Hatfield and the North. That's okay, but for me The Rotters Club is a masterpiece. Paul tries, but it is obvious he does not understand the Canterbury Scene. 


I agree with Paul's opinion of Khan's Space Shanty but not his view of Hatfield and the North.


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I've reviewed five Canterbury Scene albums so far:-
 
KHAN - Space Shanty 5 stars
STEVE HILLAGE - Fish Rising 4 stars
NATIONAL HEALTH - National Health 4 stars
QUIET SUN - Mainstream 3 stars
HATFIELD & THE NORTH - The Rotters' Club 3 stars
 


If you only gave Rotter's Club 3 stars then you clearly don't understand the Canterbury Scene. That album is pretty much the pinnacle of the entire sound that evolved out of the Soft Machine / Caravan / Egg paradigm.

Many albums lumped into the genre like Steve Hillage and Gong are really more psychedelic space rock. Canterbury Scene is a unique brand of jazz-rock with prog tendencies. Hatfield & The North's albums are THE quintessential examples of this sound. Keep listening. It hasn't revealed its secrets yet or you're not listening close enough.

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Originally posted by hugo1995 hugo1995 wrote:

Yup, possibly my favorite prog track of all time and definitely favorite of the era.

Other honorable mentions (songs and albums):

Mumps - Hatfield and the North
Aigrette - Hatfield and the North
Outbloody Rageous - Soft Machine
Facelift - Soft Machine (really the entire album Third)
Rivmic Melodies - Soft Machine (This is the name of the suite on the first side of their second album)
Sprinkling of Clouds - Gong
You Never Blow Yr Trip Forever - Gong
National Health - National Health
Driving to Amsterdam - Khan
Stranded - Khan
Queen St. Gang - Uriel (AKA Arzachel due to label issues, this entire album is fantastic)

But Mont Campbell, Dave Stewart and Clive Brooks were the greatest trifecta the world has ever seen. All this without the world knowing. 



Have you ever heard National Health's album Missing Pieces? It's an archival release from 1996 that captures material from the band's earliest days when the instrumentation was still relatively stripped down and Mont Campbell was still the main composer, and the result is something which I think sounds close to the final two Egg albums. You'll probably like it.
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I've reviewed five Canterbury Scene albums so far:-
 
KHAN - Space Shanty 5 stars
STEVE HILLAGE - Fish Rising 4 stars
NATIONAL HEALTH - National Health 4 stars
QUIET SUN - Mainstream 3 stars
HATFIELD & THE NORTH - The Rotters' Club 3 stars
 
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I love the Canterbury sound and have a great collection of albums by now. Funnily enough I seem to gravitate more towards the faux-Canterbury acts these days ie the ones that don’t necessarily stem from the British town but rather reside elsewhere...like Norway, Italy and Belgium.

Fans of this style should do themselves a big favour and check out:
COS - Viva Boma
Needlepoint - Aimless Mary
Supersister - Iskander
Picchio dal Pozzio - s/t
The Winstons - Smith
De Lorians - s/t
Moving Gelatine Plates - s/t
The Muffins - Manna/Mirage
Zyma - Thoughts
Volaré - The Uncertainty Principle
Homunculus Res - Limiti All’Eguaglianza Della Parte Con Il Tutto

And one obscure one from the UK:
Magic Bus - s/t

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Originally posted by hugo1995 hugo1995 wrote:

Hey, as for Prog Rock Brittania, I'm sure you're dying to watch the full documentary, but it's not on YouTube.

Yes, it was great! I watched the entire Prog-Rock Britannia in nine parts on YouTube, and it was also the inspiration for my Prog Britannia blog. Smile
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Hey, as for Prog Rock Brittania, I'm sure you're dying to watch the full documentary, but it's not on YouTube.
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Favorite "classic era" Canterbury song:



Yup, possibly my favorite prog track of all time and definitely favorite of the era.

Other honorable mentions (songs and albums):

Mumps - Hatfield and the North
Aigrette - Hatfield and the North
Outbloody Rageous - Soft Machine
Facelift - Soft Machine (really the entire album Third)
Rivmic Melodies - Soft Machine (This is the name of the suite on the first side of their second album)
Sprinkling of Clouds - Gong
You Never Blow Yr Trip Forever - Gong
National Health - National Health
Driving to Amsterdam - Khan
Stranded - Khan
Queen St. Gang - Uriel (AKA Arzachel due to label issues, this entire album is fantastic)

But Mont Campbell, Dave Stewart and Clive Brooks were the greatest trifecta the world has ever seen. All this without the world knowing. 
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I'm from Nottingham too! small world isn't it!
Yes, it's nice to meet another prog fan from Nottingham. As it happens, I've been out and about all around Nottingham today, looking for bargain CD's in the charity shops in Carlton, Mapperley, Arnold and Sherwood and I picked up seven CD's in total, although none of them were prog. I can only ever remember buying one prog CD from a charity shop and that was just last week when I picked up Genesis' "Wind & Wuthering" album for just a pound from a charity shop on Goose Gate in the city centre. Smile
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The Canterbury Scene on BBC Prog Rock Britannia [2008]

I'm from Nottingham too! small world isn't it!
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Zopp, a new UK Canterbury band similar to Egg and National Health will drop their debut record on Bad Elephant Music April 10th. Listen to their latest track from the album>> https://soundcloud.com/zoppofficial
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