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I can't stand giant posts!

*humour intended
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Originally posted by Odvin Draoi Odvin Draoi wrote:

I can't stand giant posts!

*humour intended
 

Me, too, my friend. Me, too. Me, too. Smile 

There are topics and questions that require getting into some sort of atmosphere. I would like most of Pink Floyd's tunes to be shorter, but then the zest of their art would disappear, OK? 

World media are overfulfilled with recollections of how terrible the USSR was. And it's always about labour camps, Stalin, KGB. For the overwhelming majority of Soviet citizens Stalin was remembered as the leader of the country during World War 2... And nothing else. As the wartime leader he definitely looked greater than Hitler - at least, he was not hysterical. As the peace-time leader he was way too cruel and cynical. In any case, the Soviet people had other things in their lives to do and care about, than to think of what had happened until 1953. 

I find it important to tell because, after all, if one comprehends that the post-Stalin USSR was not a threat to the world, that the post-Stalin USSR was not really going to invade the Capitalist countries (there are no known documents proving the opposite) - it changes the whole Cold War narrative. It shows that mainly the Cold War was the instrument of profit-making for the military, secret services, weapon-producing companies. On both sides. 

Very few former Soviet people really want to live in the USSR, as it really was, nowadays, to have it back as such. But they have many tearjerking, touching recollections. There is a very powerful nostalgia about those times. There is even a modern Russian TV channel Nostalgia that rebroadcasts Soviet TV products. You may say that many ordinary Germans perhaps also felt nostalgic about Nazi Germany times and they perhaps also wanted to have Nazi Nostalgia TV channel... Yes, but the Soviet TV showed black-skin people among others, did not measure the parameters of people's skulls and did not talk of the supreme races and the inferior ones... They talked of supreme political systems and inferior ones - excuse me, it's not the same. Although there was casual antisemitism in the USSR and the authorities treated Jews with suspicion, virtually every Soviet crooner was a Jew, not to mention leading Soviet stage comedians, who all were Jews. I mean, thoroughly all. I can't remind of any popular Soviet stage comedian who was not a Jew. And all Soviet chess legends were also Jews. Each and every of them was a Jew. And that's why I do like Nostalgia TV channel and would not bear the existence of Nazi Nostalgia TV.

Although this topic is not dedicated to the USSR, but, well, it's not a forum for pop music fans. Here, it is expected, there is an educated audience, sophisticated audience. And it really is. I fully realize that I clearly sound like a paid Kremlin troll. What can I do? I do not belong to any political party and have never done. I do not vote in any elections, at all. I definitely do not want the return to the USSR as it was, since I do not want to stand two-three hours in line to buy a box of chocolate candies (and to have a chance to buy bananas at a local store one-two days a year). I also do not want that the government de facto forced suggested me to be an atheist. But one thing is the return, another one is the sober conscious careful fact-by-fact analysis. I analyze and see tremendous number of great stuff born in those times. 
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I guess I was caught in the web of "intentional fallacy". Haha. Cool dude, if necessary let the posts be like Don Quixotesquely long. Sometimes digesting a drink/ink is better than quick sho(r)ts. Wink
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Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

GG, VdGG and the like is so metrosexual, an ideal listen for waxing all areas of the body.

True real men are into Purple, Sabbath and beer.

It's not our fault GG makes your a****le quiver - temporarily challenging your sexuality - with their musical excellence Wink.

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Gentle Giant is awesome. You may not like them, but they had influence to many modern prog bands and musicians.  SB, TFK, Transatlantic, Beardfish, Echolyn have some echoes of GG-ism. Jordan Rudess cited GG as one of his influence, and I can hear GG-ish passages in Dream Theater as well 

Edited by awaken_yesfan - November 05 2019 at 04:41
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2019 at 04:42
Originally posted by awaken_yesfan awaken_yesfan wrote:

Gentle Giant is awesome. You may not like them, but they had influence to many modern prog bands and musicians.  SB, TFK, Transatlantic, Beardfish, Echolyn have some echoes of GG-ism. Jordan Rudess cited GG as one of his influence, and you can hear GG-ish passages in Dream Theater as well 


if you read through the pages, the OP dougmcauliffe has changed his opinion, as he started enjoying GG. Big smile
So let's give the guy a break Smile
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Originally posted by awaken_yesfan awaken_yesfan wrote:

Gentle Giant is awesome. You may not like them, but they had influence to many modern prog bands and musicians.  SB, TFK, Transatlantic, Beardfish, Echolyn have some echoes of GG-ism. Jordan Rudess cited GG as one of his influence, and I can hear GG-ish passages in Dream Theater as well 

This is all quite true. But I doubt there’s any controversy over it, and it’s not really the point. Just because I like cocktail sauce doesn’t mean I should like horseradish.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

GG, VdGG and the like is so metrosexual, an ideal listen for waxing all areas of the body.

True real men are into Purple, Sabbath and beer.

<span style="line-height: 1.4;">It's not our fault GG makes your a****le quiver - temporarily challenging your sexuality - with their musical excellence </span>Wink<span style="line-height: 1.4;">.</span>

I heard that being a lass is the only way to truly enjoy them (especially Van der Gay)...can't wait for my sex reassignment surgery appointment.

Edited by Barbu - November 05 2019 at 12:42
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Ok wow, here I am 3 months later. Gentle Giant is my 6th favorite band, 5th on a good day. How I cringe at my old words. So after someone suggested acquiring the taste here I tried it and really liked it, then soon after Power and the Glory clicked. At a record fair I decided to take a plunge and got every giant album from Three Friends to Free Hand. The first time Octopus graced my ears... holy moly. Incredible band, I take back all that I said.
 
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Originally posted by Odvin Draoi Odvin Draoi wrote:

I guess I was caught in the web of "intentional fallacy". Haha. Cool dude, if necessary let the posts be like Don Quixotesquely long. Sometimes digesting a drink/ink is better than quick sho(r)ts. Wink

Ouch Not that there's some special reason for posting yet another geopolitical stuff in here, but, well, I ought to correct myself: there indeed were at least six American defectors to North Korea. Sounded to me unbelievable, but yes, there were. 
Anyway, some of them tried to re-defect to the USSR (Soviet embassy in North Korea probably did not want to spoil relations with not the kindest regime on Earth) - and I can understand why they wanted to move to the Soviet Union. North Korea unfortunately remains in the Stalinist era. Cuba, as far as I can get, lives in the Lenin era. Nowadays it is an anachronism to live in the Lenin or Stalin era. Like, in North Korea they now re-sing Soviet songs from the 1950s. Now, in the 2010s!

There was one important thing about Brezhnev. He has never participated in any Stalin's repressions. Unlike Khrushchev, whose hands were mucked with blood of innocently repressed people during Stalin's purges. Brezhnev illuminated friendliness and never actually forgot about his friends. 

Here is a very characteristic photo of him, for example, below. In this photo made in the 1970s, he is going to drink something like probably brandy with the head of Russian Orthodox Christians, and the main rabbi of Moscow synagogue (sic!). As you see, there's no nervous feeling in the photo (except on Brezhnev's face who definitely did not know how to react properly in this situation in the officially atheist country). Nobody would be shot, nobody would be imprisoned, and everybody knows it. Brezhnev himself was that kind of person who, say it, had a bottle of brandy, so why not drink a glass of brandy or two with these three strange men in strange hats?.. It is impossible to imagine Lenin, Stalin or Khrushchev in such a photo.  Brezhnev even awarded the leader of Russian Orthodox Christian Church with an Order Of The Friendship Of Peoples.



The fear had long gone. And knowing that Brezhnev era started in the first half of the 1960s until the beginning of the 1980s, you may get what the people born in the Soviet Union who are still alive and sane today may remember about the USSR. They were not the children of the fear, nor the children of the grave, they were the children of the state where this guy was the leader. 

P.S. There is a video from modern Russian TV show where they mention Gentle Giant among others... As far as I can see, most of the performers were born during the Brezhnev era USSR, by the way.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote EbbsUnion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2019 at 08:48
As someone herer said before, if you don't like Gentle Giant, then you won't like RIO/Avant
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

GG, VdGG and the like is so metrosexual, an ideal listen for waxing all areas of the body.

True real men are into Purple, Sabbath and beer.

It's not our fault GG makes your a****le quiver - temporarily challenging your sexuality - with their musical excellence Wink.

Ah yes. Purple, Sabbath and beer - the emergent testosterone classics.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2019 at 23:20
Just listened to the Steven Wilson remixes of selected tracks from the first 3 albums. This is rather wonderful and highly recommended for any prog fans. Schooldays will probably always be my favourite GG track I think.
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