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omphaloskepsis 
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 Posted: March 25 2019 at 16:47 |
 rushfan4 wrote:
All that it proves is that there is no found smoking gun and that if there was collusion those that are in the know have not admitted to it. Given that our president wasn't willing to actually sit down with Mueller to answer questions leaves something to be desired. Not to mention Giuliani's 1st comment "that was a lot better than I was expecting". When an attorney is surprised that his client wasn't charged leads me to believe that he knows something that we don't know. :)
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Since 2016 the largest, most powerful intelligence community the world-has-ever-seen conducted hundreds interviews, hundreds of subpoenas, 19 prosecutors, 30 million dollars, with the main-stream-media cheering along... And still ZERO evidence of collusion. That said Rushfan, I support your first amendment right to wax-on and espouse your Russian conspiracy theory.
Edited by omphaloskepsis - March 25 2019 at 16:58
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rushfan4
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Posted: March 25 2019 at 17:00 |
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...nobody admitted to doing it so therefore nothing can be proven. That doesn't mean that it didn't happen. It just means that any phone calls weren't recorded, and written documents were shredded and the servers at Trump Towers were properly disposed of. The President was not interviewed..not that he wouldn't have lied his way through the interview anyway. It has been one lie after another with this President and his administration regarding this. We have seen with our own eyes and heard with our own ears his attempts at "obstruction". It is also interesting that they did conclude that Putin and the Russians did conspire to help elect Trump...but that Trump's people did not "knowingly" conspire with them. Obviously that will be interpreted based on which side of the aisle that you sit on.
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Easy Money
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Posted: March 25 2019 at 17:04 |
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The remaining mystery is why t-rump was so opposed to an investigation into foreign meddling in our election. I would expect the president to be supportive of such an investigation.
Any past president would have supported such an investigation.
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 25 2019 at 18:00 |
But that's not how it works, is it. Evidence is required to indict someone, and should be, whether one likes the person being investigated or not. It's crucial to protect the freedoms of everyone if nothing illegal has been established regardless of what one suspects. Far better for Trump to not be accused of a crime than to go after him out of suspicion or spite.
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Easy Money
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Posted: March 25 2019 at 20:06 |
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Hmmmm, possibly my post was misunderstood then.
From my understanding, the Mueller investigation was about foreign influence in our election. Any good president would be concerned about protecting our elections and would be supportive of such an investigation. On the other hand, a president with something to hide would be opposed to such an investigation.
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 25 2019 at 22:35 |
I was responding more to rushfan's post, but yes any good president would be concerned about protecting our elections. But Trump doesn't think, or doesn't want to think, Russian intel would want or need to interfere with our elections because then they'd get him as President and how could that be bad for the U.S.??
This is why it will be so hard to show any wrong-doing by Trump himself. Idiocy is not a crime.
Edited by Atavachron - March 25 2019 at 22:37
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Easy Money
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 06:19 |
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True, t-rump doesn't care which country meddles in our elections as long as t-rump wins the election. A true self-serving politician who cares more about himself than the country and it's people he is supposedly serving.
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progaardvark
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 06:25 |
I think we need to wait for the entire Mueller report to be released to really make a good judgment call on this one. The four-page summary really doesn't go into any substantive detail. Also, don't forget the Southern District of New York, plus quite a few others that are still ongoing. It will take years to sort out this crime family and all their cohorts (of which several are already in jail).
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rushfan4
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 07:38 |
Atavachron wrote:
I was responding more to rushfan's post, but yes any good president would be concerned about protecting our elections. But Trump doesn't think, or doesn't want to think, Russian intel would want or need to interfere with our elections because then they'd get him as President and how could that be bad for the U.S.??
This is why it will be so hard to show any wrong-doing by Trump himself. Idiocy is not a crime.
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I don't disagree with that. It is both what is good and bad about our legal system. "If it don't fit you must acquit". The circumstantial evidence is there...the actions of the actors are there..but there is no smoking gun. The Democrats now have their email servers to cry about...I suppose that turnabout is fairplay. They are all corrupt and all adept at covering up their corruption.
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Easy Money
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 07:47 |
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Now the republican politicians want to block the release of the full Mueller report, I wonder why, ha.
It's easy for t-rump to say he wants it released because he knows his repub co-horts will still block it.
We the tax payer paid for that investigation and we deserve to see the full report. What are the politicians trying to hide?
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Argo2112
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 08:55 |
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I had a feeling things were going to go this way. The guy is made of Teflon, nothing sticks to him. Just hope the democrats get someone that is electable to run against him in 2020 so we can be done with this .
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Barbu
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 10:26 |
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Unleash Your fury against them, My Lord. The enemy of the people and all those traitors must feel your wrath!!!
We kneel before You, our love, our Monarch!
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Snicolette
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 12:17 |
Argo2112 wrote:
I had a feeling thing were going to go this way. The guy is made of Teflon, nothing sticks to him. Just hope the democrats get someone that is electable to run against him in 2020 so we can be done with this . |
Like Mr. Iran/Contra....Hmmmmm...Barr was AG then, too.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 12:28 |
Easy Money wrote:
The remaining mystery is why t-rump was so opposed to an investigation into foreign meddling in our election. I would expect the president to be supportive of such an investigation.
Any past president would have supported such an investigation. |
25 million taxpayer dollars down the toilet that could have been building border security instead
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Easy Money
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 12:36 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
The remaining mystery is why t-rump was so opposed to an investigation into foreign meddling in our election. I would expect the president to be supportive of such an investigation.
Any past president would have supported such an investigation. |
25 million taxpayer dollars down the toilet that could have been building border security instead |
Keeping elections free from foreign invasion is probably more crucial to most Americans. Once again, those that benefited from the foreign invasion don't care about the rest of America, they only care about their political party.
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 12:58 |
25 mill is a drop in the tax-base bucket .
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progaardvark
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 13:07 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
The remaining mystery is why t-rump was so opposed to an investigation into foreign meddling in our election. I would expect the president to be supportive of such an investigation.
Any past president would have supported such an investigation. |
25 million taxpayer dollars down the toilet that could have been building border security instead |
It's cheaper than the $92 million taxpayers have spent on his golf outings.
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Easy Money
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 13:08 |
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Re Atavachron: True, if they really wanted to save the taxpayer some money they would start addressing the skyrocketing national debt. Which is one more proof that t-rump is not a true fiscal conservative, just a con artist looking out for himself.
Edited by Easy Money - March 26 2019 at 13:09
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 16:25 |
Easy Money wrote:
Re Atavachron: True, if they really wanted to save the taxpayer some money they would start addressing the skyrocketing national debt. Which is one more proof that t-rump is not a true fiscal conservative, just a con artist looking out for himself. |
Congress controls the purse strings and budget in the United States Mr. Easy Money. Not the presidency/executive branch.
Facts- 2 years and 2 months into Obama's Presidency the National Debt rose by 4 Trillion dollars. 2 years and 2 months into Trump's presidency the National Debt rose 2.08 Trillion dollars. Obama doubled Trump! 
By the way, my first choice for 2020 is Tulsi Gabbert. 2nd choice is Trump.
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Easy Money
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Posted: March 26 2019 at 16:30 |
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If congress controls the money, how is it t-rump is getting his money for 'the wall', not from congress, they didn't approve that spending,
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