The American Politics Thread

Watching from the outside, I do wonder if Democrats are repeating the mistake of the Reagan years in fielding ultra liberal candidates. Look who it took to break a 12 year long Republican juggernaut - a New Democrat from a Southern state. And that was with help from Perot and against a much less charismatic incumbent than Reagan. It's all very well to fire up the base but how much of your base lives in the Midwest anyway. Is it better to lament that US elections aren't decided by popular vote or to find a candidate who can run on an essentially Democrat platform and still win the Midwest states? Clinton didn't lose because she was a Centrist but because her campaign manager somehow believed he could replicate the Obama campaign for a white woman and still win. And she still didn't lose by more than a few narrowly decided elections in some Midwest states.

Edited by rogerthat - March 21 2019 at 04:30

Triceratopsoil wrote: SteveG wrote: Triceratopsoil wrote: micky wrote: it boggles the mind..   well yes, it's been incredibly obvious how out of touch liberals are with most people  Time to break my silence. We liberals are quite in touch with conservative middle American thought processes such as closet bigotry, white supremacy and all the rest of the good stuff that responds to Trump's dog whistles. We just don't subscribe to this warped way of thinking and are doing what we can to combat it. I hope that is obvious.    Edit: I shall now return to limbo until the next need to spout off some steam. No, the fact that you think anybody who disagrees with you about minor politics is a nazi proves my point completely

You shoehorn all liberals into one set character but take offence when the same is done to your tribe? Do you see any parallels here or are you still in your own world and can't learn from this?

SteveG wrote: You shoehorn all liberals into one set character but take offence when the same is done to your tribe? Do you see any parallels here or are you still in your own world and can't learn from this?

Triceratopsoil wrote: SteveG wrote: You shoehorn all liberals into one set character but take offence when the same is done to your tribe? Do you see any parallels here or are you still in your own world and can't learn from this? Not even a Nate Silver model would find anything other than a blowout for Trump in 2020.

Can you back up this claim with any proof at all. Even the people that like t-rump, such as fox news and rassmusen reports aren't predicting such things. He is within striking distance of possibly winning, but a blowout, no poll is showing that at all, and he fares pretty badly against some candidates. I'm not picking sides here, but I'm not sure where you are getting this information.

Edited by Easy Money - March 21 2019 at 20:47

Catcher10 wrote: I could careless about either party, they both have equally bad people/issues/problems and good stuff. We need not forget that the US is a Republic. I can easily look at the whole thing subjectively, because I don't care about either party. Although you all know my side, which I will not mention again as the last time I was accused of being a male chauvinist and I did not respect women, my wife or daughter....so let's try to avoid lumping people into groups or discuss ones character, since there is not a single person here that knows me. That being said, I see what rogerthat is saying and tend to agree. I said back in 2016 give me someone else to vote for! And I'll say it again......I'm not looking at any presidential candidate to do anything magical in 4yrs. I know not one person will be 100% liked or disliked, that's cra-cra to even suggest that. What the current POTUS has done is stirred the pot, vigorously with both hands domestically and internationally. Overall I don't have much issue with that as I think it needed to be done, I have zero desire to get into details of the international relationships he has either created or destroyed (perceived), the US is still the super power and I really doubt any country wants to not be our friend. The smartest person I know is my uncle who is an economist and worked for the World Bank and IMF and has lived in 4 different countries, other than social postings and what on the surface people say, his opinion is there has been no harm in what POTUS has done internationally, more good has been done than bad. It certainly is becoming evident that the current crop of candidates will struggle with any platform other than preaching.."he is bad and needs to go...vote for me". This goes nowhere come election day. The problem is from a business perspective all they can think about claiming is "my policies will reduce unemployment and create a better US economy". I doubt it will get any better than what we have going on now....steady as she goes. What was needed for those that wanted Trump to fail is a busted economy or a repeat of 2009-10, which regardless of who is POTUS we are due for, but that is not good for anybody! I was actually glad AOC won her NY bid, it's part of stirring the pot. Then she began talking, she should have just stayed in the background and listened and learned. She is politically inept and she knows it. Dig deep, go into that middle ground, middle Earth LOL......and ask yourself come election day will the US vote for one of the candidates campaigning now? That's where I am at right now. If you simply want to vote for someone else because you do not like who Trump is that's fine, you clearly have that right.

Perhaps I'm more middle centrist than I let on Jose. I actually do like the idea of a border wall as that whole situation is dire, and some of Trump's stances make sense to me. Maybe it's time for both parties to find some middle ground but first the divisions within the parties have to be ironed out. This ultra left 'socialist' stance in my party is disturbing to me but far out positions (on both sides) seem to be the soup de jour!

Actually I like Tulsi Gabbard but the DNC has made it clear that one won't happen

SteveG wrote: Catcher10 wrote: I could careless about either party, they both have equally bad people/issues/problems and good stuff. We need not forget that the US is a Republic. I can easily look at the whole thing subjectively, because I don't care about either party. Although you all know my side, which I will not mention again as the last time I was accused of being a male chauvinist and I did not respect women, my wife or daughter....so let's try to avoid lumping people into groups or discuss ones character, since there is not a single person here that knows me. That being said, I see what rogerthat is saying and tend to agree. I said back in 2016 give me someone else to vote for! And I'll say it again......I'm not looking at any presidential candidate to do anything magical in 4yrs. I know not one person will be 100% liked or disliked, that's cra-cra to even suggest that. What the current POTUS has done is stirred the pot, vigorously with both hands domestically and internationally. Overall I don't have much issue with that as I think it needed to be done, I have zero desire to get into details of the international relationships he has either created or destroyed (perceived), the US is still the super power and I really doubt any country wants to not be our friend. The smartest person I know is my uncle who is an economist and worked for the World Bank and IMF and has lived in 4 different countries, other than social postings and what on the surface people say, his opinion is there has been no harm in what POTUS has done internationally, more good has been done than bad. It certainly is becoming evident that the current crop of candidates will struggle with any platform other than preaching.."he is bad and needs to go...vote for me". This goes nowhere come election day. The problem is from a business perspective all they can think about claiming is "my policies will reduce unemployment and create a better US economy". I doubt it will get any better than what we have going on now....steady as she goes. What was needed for those that wanted Trump to fail is a busted economy or a repeat of 2009-10, which regardless of who is POTUS we are due for, but that is not good for anybody! I was actually glad AOC won her NY bid, it's part of stirring the pot. Then she began talking, she should have just stayed in the background and listened and learned. She is politically inept and she knows it. Dig deep, go into that middle ground, middle Earth LOL......and ask yourself come election day will the US vote for one of the candidates campaigning now? That's where I am at right now. If you simply want to vote for someone else because you do not like who Trump is that's fine, you clearly have that right. Perhaps I'm more middle centrist than I let on Jose. I actually do like the idea of a border wall as that whole situation is dire, and some of Trump's stances make sense to me. Maybe it's time for both parties to find some middle ground but first the divisions within the parties have to be ironed out. This ultra left 'socialist' stance in my party is disturbing to me but far out positions (on both sides) seem to be the soup de jour!

I'm not American. But we, the people from other parts of the world, are a bit American because of the popular culture. 

If there was ever anything of substance it would not have taken 3 years to materialize