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Posted: February 08 2019 at 04:46
^ in my internet experiences Greg in most 'adult' forums moderators (wearing their hats) stay the hell out of political forums. One enters and posts at their own risk to hurt feelings and stepping out of their political bubbles and echo chambers and hearing things they might not like to hear. David () brought up a good point. Things easily and easily tossed off on the internet can easily lead you to being left bleeding and bruised in real life. That is actually an important lesson for some to consider...
Unlike music or whatever general topic the forum might normally be about politics is real life and about issues and matters that often do have direct effect or bring up past experiences and can get quite heated. And often ones political views and how they represent themselves speak to who they are as a person unlike a topic talking about your favorite Genesis album used for curing insomnia man.
this thread has and will surely remain remarkably civil. There are those out there in Internet land that get extremely vicious and personal.
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 05:04
well this has been an interesting week... let's start with the freakshow that has been Virginia
looks like Northam will survive this, in large part to two things. It seems that many older Virginians, probably most older southerners in general haha, have these particular skeletons in their closet. It wasn't just him, but the state attorney General and I guess it came out yesterday that the Repubican Senate majority leader here has the same issue in a past yearbook. Knocking out a single one is one thing, knocking out most of an entire body of population.. quite another. The shear scale might keep this from being a disqualifying black mark, perhaps taking this to where it reasonable should. What have you done with your life and your poltics in the here and now. Speaking of that...
surprisingly the real basis of his survival is the support of the black community here in Virginia. They understand he has been a champion of the black community and obviously grew in his actions and attitudes since his 20's. It is funny that most calling for him to resign are white, and his biggest support group for staying are black. It is a funny place to be, yet in a way, a damn good one. It sure as hell beats having whites defend him and blacks want him out. Ie.. good to see that whites recognize that behavior like that is unacceptable.. not in terms of the older set who did this 30 or more years ago.. but the future leaders of tomorrow. If that is what is called progress, and I think it is, I can live with that.
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 05:15
and speaking of digging up old posts... yeah.. patting myself on the back. SteveG ..whereever you are brother.. it is as I expected and suspected. That conservative majority on the SCOTUS is not as ironclad as most thought it potentially was. As I suspected we just saw the coming out of the leftward shift of Roberts and thus a potential swing vote (4-4-1) rather than a reliable solid 5-4 conservative majority which would torch past decisions. He has long expressed fear and trepidation about the politicization of that body, Kavanaugh being the last straw who should have never been elevated, and think he will do much to keep the Court out of hot topic issues that the Christian Right expects and demands.
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 05:35
loving the Senate map for 2020.. beginning to see the pros coming out with their 2020 crystal balls and not surprisingly they mirror my 2020 crystal ball. only one Democrat in danger.. upwards of 6 or 7 Repubicans are and in a potential landslide election with an extremely unpopular President at the top of the ticket, and motivating the get out to vote, but also in an indirect way the 2nd most most unpopular figure in our Government. Mitch McConnell. His reaction to the national election day holiday was both telling and completely transparent. It is the in the Republican interest to have as few vote as possible.
while the Republicans made repeal of Obamacare their first priority when handed the keys of power and 3 branches. I can foresee that new national holiday being one of the first things to come out of the Democratic controlled government in 2021. That .. and oh... take that McConnell and playing power politics. The granting of statehood to Puerto Rico and perhaps a final end to the crime that that is the no representation in Congress that is the District of Columbia. All of course.. being solid Democratic strongholds. Power partisan politics as practiced by McConnell is a double edged sword and it about time the Democrats swing it.
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 05:39
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No quarrel anymore. Sorry for my disturbance.
I did feel a disturbance in the force.. Darth Moderators..
I do feel for you moderators... it must be fun to get out the big stick and beat people over the head with it. Smartest thing the site ever did was never to promote me to admin.. but yes .. move along.. nothing to see or moderate here. Political threads besides are often self moderating...
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 05:59
can't not touch the kinder that set the thread aflame...
'liz warren .... get real man.. we elected a President who was known to be corrupt, unscrupulous, 'rich', completely unchristian haha, a f**king misoygnist, and populist in his rhetoric. Not to mention extremely unlikeable..
no one really cares about Elizabeth Warrens DNA or her claims on her ancestory.. well other than Trump and Trump voter and they ain't voting for her anyway... and what will or will not win her the nomination is her economic populist message and being a champion of it and going after the rich and big business/banks long before any of the current field embraced it. That is a powerful message and her DNA/heritage will be long forgotten by the time the campaign gets full swing.. and even if raised.. as it will during the campaign. The American voter showed without doubt in 2016 that it is the message, not the messenger that matters...
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 06:24
micky wrote:
DamoXt7942 wrote:
No quarrel anymore. Sorry for my disturbance.
I did feel a disturbance in the force.. Darth Moderators..
I do feel for you moderators... it must be fun to get out the big stick and beat people over the head with it. Smartest thing the site ever did was never to promote me to admin.. but yes .. move along.. nothing to see or moderate here. Political threads besides are often self moderating...
I think the admins at this site do an excellent job. Its hard work and no pay, so we all should be grateful. Thank you Greg, Keishiro and George for all your hard work.
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 07:03
yeah.. we love our admins.. and they do have a tough job in large part to how boring it is. No thanks to those that needle them and generally push the edge of accepted forum decorum.... but they ain't as bad as they used to be when their PM boxes were filled with threatening messages from the admin team warning to cease and disist... oh I suspect they enjoyed the chaos as much as those that created it
for it is an appreciated job done mostly in the shadows... for in very large part the forum is extremely well behaved today and has been since it's glorious wild west days when the black hats routinely rode into town and blew away innocents and raped horses and rode the women folk.
today.. damn right it is a tough job...what are the poor admins to do...where is the fun in laying down the law and kicking ass....when even the wildest of the forum wild are generally well behaved and semi respectful.
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 08:29
It will be interesting to see how much further trump's approval ratings will drop after small business owner's like my self discover that his tax hike has taken away some business expense deductions that we had grown accustomed to.
The taxes on my business are going up this year, but I suppose someone has to foot the bill for this country. It won't be an elitist like trump, he doesn't pay taxes like the rest of us.
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 09:16
^ I think we are already seeing the shrinking of his approval numbers John now into the sub 40's.. not much shrinkage.. as the vast majority of his supporters are not because of economics.. but the social/culture wars.
but that little bit of support loss can and would be catastrophic for him as he barely won in 2016 against a similarly historically unpopular candidate that he is not going to the face the type of again in 2020.. but also he has not only made zero attempt to expand his base of support.. but done much to inspire the apathetic to oppose him.
therein is why I and some other poli pros see Warren as a far graver threat to Trump that either he thinks or lets on..
she can eat into his 2016 support.. those that did vote him and support him.. that voted out of economics not white nativism.. yet all teh while motivating those that either sat out the last election out of disgust of the two candidates or voted 3rd party (Bernie Bots) that hated Clinton as much as they rightfully so hated Trump.
it is no surprise that Warren's trial economic policy balloons poll very highly amoung voters of both parties... I do think we are standing on the cusp of a fundamental shift in this nations politics.. and thus prioritiies economically where the powerful and entitled.. both the individually rich and corporate economic overlords become not the emporers in their boardrooms (hahahaha) but become the target. This country for nearly 40 years has waged war on the working class and pretty much wiped out large sections of the middle class having a nation of have's and nots who live and work just to make other rich and live one paycheck or personal misforture away from disaster.
a redefining of what and who is truly to this nation and it's overall health is long overdue.. and I do think it is coming and coming soon. If not Warren... someone who appropriates what she has long championed.
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 09:30
^ I haven't picked a favorite candidate yet, still checking everyone out. I would love to see a Republican take on trump. I was hoping Jeff Flake was gong to do it, but unfortunately he says he lacks the funds. Flake debating trump would have been awesome, Flake has the smarts and the true conservative/libertarian integrity to expose what a fraud and fake conservative trump is.
As far as approval ratings go, a great non-partisan source for polls is Real Clear Politics. They include input from every political source possible from left to right and all points in between, and yes, trump's approval ratings dropped considerably during the govt. shutdown and they have not recovered since.
When small business owners discover that their taxes are going up, I would imagine his ratings will drop more.
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 09:44
yeah Real Clear is right with Politico and The Hill as the main sources for my political breastmilk. I just like the facts.. forget the spins or bias of traditional news outlets. I'm intelligent, educated, and with enough life experience enough to form my own opinions.
yes a primary challenge is the best thing that could happen to the Republican Party.. but they have lost so much suburban and independent support.. what remains.. Trump's core. It would be bloody I suppose.. but much like 2016 it wouldn't matter.. it is Trump party now.. no wait.. that is the simple and unthinking mass media opinion
it is Trump voters party now... thus the problem that party will have even after 2020.. Trump may be gone.. but the bigots racists and white nativists will still be there.. and the next crop of candidates.. they will have to appeal to them. Thus the political death spiral that party has and why many, including myself obviously, see the only way the Republican Party survives the decades to come is to blow itself up and do the unthinkable. and move to the left for that is where this country and its electorate is moving.
I'll be curious to hear where you go with your thoughts as the months go by and especially as we head into next year John. I've formed opinions on 2 of the 3 leading potential Democratic nominees .. Biden and Warren... I am open to Kamala Harris.. as much as I haven't really figured out what she is really about.. she is so new to the scene per se.. and not sure yet what is important to her quite yet. What drives her politically..
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 10:05
Right now 1/3 of Republicans want a better candidate for 2020. After two more years of bumbling ineptitude that number could get closer to %50. I have several Republican friends who can't stand the guy. The line seems to be drawn at education, trump doesn't doesn't fare well with college graduates.
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 10:23
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Greg, I am someone who feels anger is quite healthy and normal, and I will aggressively be myself as I always have been. Now, my mother passed away yesterday and perhaps that is impacting my conduct, but frankly I don't think so. I am a fighter and a real bast*rd, and an unlikely to take a voluntary break from this godforsaken, wonderful place.
Do what you need to do.
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 11:11
Atavachron wrote:
Greg, I am someone who feels anger is quite healthy and normal, and I will aggressively be myself as I always have been. Now, my mother passed away yesterday and perhaps that is impacting my conduct, but frankly I don't think so. I am a fighter and a real bast*rd, and an unlikely to take a voluntary break from this godforsaken, wonderful place.
Do what you need to do.
I am sorry to hear of your loss, David. I know the feeling, mine has been gone a very long time, now. Best advice from someone who's been there is let whatever you feel happen as it does and know there is no timeline on grief.
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 11:13
I would like to add that in general, this is a very congenial politics thread and has had a lot of thoughtful points and counterpoints of view. Pretty much an anomaly!
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Posted: February 08 2019 at 12:12
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He is obviously too afraid to reveal his true feelings about trump. Sad. America will never be great with this tradition of 'bone spur draft dodging', 'no taxes paid to support our veterans' rip off con artist coward fake president. Sad.
You've succeeded in your late night spin after all, Spin Master... he-he.... everybody got excited about my view of Trump.
Here. Funny that it was my answer to Avatcorn yet he wanted to hear it again... Enjoy.
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) brought up a good point. Things easily and easily tossed off on the internet can easily lead you to being left bleeding and bruised in real life. That is actually an important lesson for some to consider... 
DamoXt7942 wrote:
yeah.. we love our admins.. and they do have a tough job in large part to how boring it is. No thanks to those that needle them and generally push the edge of accepted forum decorum.... but they ain't as bad as they used to be when their PM boxes were filled with threatening messages from the admin team warning to cease and disist... oh I suspect they enjoyed the chaos as much as those that created it
