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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I would argue they were the ones cutting off their noses to spite their face by not making a recommendation for one over the other. FOr me I didn't want to spend thirty dollars for a band I never heard before. I would have bought one but their stubborness prevented that. So yeah. Cutting nose off? No I don't see it that way. Bad PR on their part? Yes, that's my opinion. The promoter for After Crying was probably just as bad by practically begging me and screaming at me to buy one of their cds. 

That was 15 years ago! You've been deliberately avoiding exploring the band for 15 years?
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Heck even Gentle Giant is obscure in the "real world." Not sure about King Crimson though. I think most music fans at least know about them regardless if they are prog fans or not. 

King Crimson opened for Tool. No way would I categorize them as obscure.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2018 at 17:09
as alluded to in another thread.. some of the best obscure stuff has come from the land down under.

One of my favorites....


turn up that bitch.. and blow thy speakers...


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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I would argue they were the ones cutting off their noses to spite their face by not making a recommendation for one over the other. FOr me I didn't want to spend thirty dollars for a band I never heard before. I would have bought one but their stubborness prevented that. So yeah. Cutting nose off? No I don't see it that way. Bad PR on their part? Yes, that's my opinion. The promoter for After Crying was probably just as bad by practically begging me and screaming at me to buy one of their cds. 

That was 15 years ago! You've been deliberately avoiding exploring the band for 15 years?

Not deliberately now no. I don't hold a musical grudge. However, there is so much music out there that to be honest they are no longer on my radar. 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

as alluded to in another thread.. some of the best obscure stuff has come from the land down under.

One of my favorites....


turn up that bitch.. and blow thy speakers...



Sounds like proto metal. Ever hear Buffalo? Master's Apprentice was another one. Also Blackfeather(but don't know what they sound like).
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proto metal? Nah.. nothing of the sort. That track is an attention getter.. and the one that hooked us when we evaluated the group for addition. Yeah that one is heavy and kicks more ass than even Hillary can toss at ya. but the album is no one trick pony.

very good and interesting album..  do check it out. .and Aussie prog if so inclined. There are a lot of gems there.. and a long running thread here dedicated to those bands.

Here is my favorite from the album




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Well it sounded very metallish to me(especially for the time period). 
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National Health, Locanda Delle Fate, Gnidrolog, England, Fruupp, Collage, Shadowland, The Amber Light, 5R6, Discipline, Day Without Dawn, Vespero, Gargamel...loads of them
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Originally posted by Prog-jester Prog-jester wrote:

National Health, Locanda Delle Fate, Gnidrolog, England, Fruupp, Collage, Shadowland, The Amber Light, 5R6, Discipline, Day Without Dawn, Vespero, Gargamel...loads of them

I like how you mentioned older and more recent bands.
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Originally posted by doompaul doompaul wrote:

Not obscure on here, i'm sure, but in the real world? Greenslade. I just picked up their debut and man the first song alone is worth the price of admission. 

Not that obscure but I am a fan also.....get all 4...they are all decent imho.

Try Jonesy also...the first 3 or 4 are all good....a little like Crimson at times with a mix of things going on with some mellotron and jazz influences.




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Is Jade Warrior obscure enough? They never get mentioned even when people make lists of third tier bands.


If not obscure enough, then I'd say Henry Kaiser, a real avant-garde guitar player. I just bought a couple new ones from him, as it happens.


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Originally posted by doompaul doompaul wrote:

Not obscure on here, i'm sure, but in the real world? Greenslade. I just picked up their debut and man the first song alone is worth the price of admission. 
I have all their output (vinyl & CD) and Greenslade's solo stuff as well - like you said not obscure for 70's prog freaks - but very obscure to anybody younger probably and mainstream pop fans of the same era. 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

as alluded to in another thread.. some of the best obscure stuff has come from the land down under.

I'm partial to this private press Ozzie nugget:


Very obscure until recently, when it got a CD reissue. Now just pretty damn obscure.
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^That Yaarandoo, nice eclectic music,  reminds me of Jade Warrior who were mentioned above.
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I've been really enjoying Ritual (from Sweden) lately. Patrik Lundstrom from Kaipa is such a great singer. Are they obscure?
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

I've been really enjoying Ritual (from Sweden) lately. Patrik Lundstrom from Kaipa is such a great singer. Are they obscure?

They probably are now. They made a splash 20ish years ago with their debut. They were supposed to play Prog Fest '97 in Los Angeles but had another commitment. The replacement act was Big Elf.
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Try Jonesy also...the first 3 or 4 are all good....a little like Crimson at times with a mix of things going on with some mellotron and jazz influences.


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Some great stuff off of the 'Dawn' (Pye) and 'Neon' (RCA) stables already mentioned by the venerable Dr Wu to which i'd like to add 'Quicksand- Home is where I belong'
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Heck even Gentle Giant is obscure in the "real world." Not sure about King Crimson though. I think most music fans at least know about them regardless if they are prog fans or not. 

King Crimson opened for Tool. No way would I categorize them as obscure.

Yeah so? Most people don't pay much attention to the opening band unless they are already fans. I'm sure it turned some people onto KC but that by itself would not be enough to launch them into the mainstream. Plus not everyone is a Tool fan.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Heck even Gentle Giant is obscure in the "real world." Not sure about King Crimson though. I think most music fans at least know about them regardless if they are prog fans or not. 

King Crimson opened for Tool. No way would I categorize them as obscure.

Yeah so? Most people don't pay much attention to the opening band unless they are already fans. I'm sure it turned some people onto KC but that by itself would not be enough to launch them into the mainstream. Plus not everyone is a Tool fan.

King Crimson isn't obscure just like Yes, Genesis, ELP, Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd aren't obscure. The main '70s Brit prog acts, aka the Big Six, aren't. Tool picked KC to open for them because they're fans. 

If we drop to "Tier 2," e.g. Renaissance, Camel, Nektar, that's different. 
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Heck even Gentle Giant is obscure in the "real world." Not sure about King Crimson though. I think most music fans at least know about them regardless if they are prog fans or not. 

King Crimson opened for Tool. No way would I categorize them as obscure.

Yeah so? Most people don't pay much attention to the opening band unless they are already fans. I'm sure it turned some people onto KC but that by itself would not be enough to launch them into the mainstream. Plus not everyone is a Tool fan.

King Crimson isn't obscure just like Yes, Genesis, ELP, Jethro Tull and Pink Floyd aren't obscure. The main '70s Brit prog acts, aka the Big Six, aren't. Tool picked KC to open for them because they're fans. 

If we drop to "Tier 2," e.g. Renaissance, Camel, Nektar, that's different. 

Well, I'm not saying KC aren't part of the big six but they are definitely the least commercially successful of those bands(which also includes Yes, Genesis, ELP etc). They are also the least popular(although these days they are probably more popular than ELP among prog fans). That doesn't mean they aren't as good just that they aren't as popular. As for your second tier you didn't mention Gentle Giant. Actually Gentle Giant might be the only band who is sort of stuck between first tier and second tier or at the very least are the top band of the second tier(along with Porcupine Tree and Marillion if we can count newer bands and I use the term newer quite liberally with Marillion(actually both now)). As for King Crimson let's face it. Your average music person doesn't necessarily know about them. I think it's mainly musicians, total music fanatics and prog fans. For Gentle Giant and the second tier bands(which GG are but are also sometimes considered first tier believe it or not)would be mostly just prog fans and the occasional obsessive music collector(pretty much the same thing as the aforementioned "total music fanatic"). But yeah I would say King Crimson are not obscure to us(then again neither is GG, VDGG and all the bands you mentioned plus any band on here with say over 300 ratings) but to the average music fan they certainly are. Sorry to burst your bubble but I'm not going to sugar coat it. In fact sometime last year I was talking to some guy, probably in his fifties, who knew Yes and seemed to be a fan but never even heard of King Crimson. To be honest I was a bit surprised. So yeah obviously not everyone knows who KC are and not even people who are technically "old enough to know better." So let's get down to the core here. Are King Crimson obscure? Well, ultimately that's a relative term. Obviously among prog fans they aren't. They are obviously one of the first bands a person will discover and get into(hopefully)if they are a prog fan. Heck I got into them before I got into ELP back in the eighties but then again I had a cousin who was into them plus read about them in a music book. I got lucky though because I mostly just knew about what I heard on the radio at that time. So among prog fans and real music people no not obscure. Among the casual music listener or those who just rely on what is popular or on the radio yes they are. 


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