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AEProgman
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REBOOT! REBOOT! REBOOT!
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Quinino
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That's what I had in mind - giving more visibility to our exchange here could eventually lead to M@x attention - let's keep it alive, then, right? |
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Davesax1965
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I hope so, I used to get paid a lot of money to explain why someone's database was in the crapper. ;-)
Basically, live with it until the next server reboot. Edited by Davesax1965 - January 25 2018 at 08:10 |
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Rivertree
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good explanations, Sir!
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Davesax1965
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Thinking about it, and I'd have to say that this is conjecture, it could be why Captchas fail.
The system has become internally slow that since no reply comes back from the database in good time, that the Captcha code times out. I can't be sure of it, but I'd almost bet money on it. |
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Davesax1965
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No chance. ;-)
Prog Archives will be hosted on a small(ish) SQL server database in an ISP's server room. There will be a very large number of servers hosting masses of websites and databases. No DBA. DBA's cost big money and are solely for "mission critical" database systems. I used to work for IKEA, Maersk Sealand, Seawheel, the UK NHS Service, and for people who paid thousands per month for an expert to keep an eye on their data. So no one will be looking. Whoever owns the site can request a database reboot, of course. They'll hardly fall over themselves at the ISP unless the site is completely down and they may lose money. This is an almost inevitable progression of databases. As they get older and more bloated with rubbish, and rarely rebooted, internal errors occur, locks start mounting up, performance starts decreasing. So it goes. |
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Quinino
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Thanks a lot for the explanation, Dave - let's hope someone with enough power (?) reads this and acts ...
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Davesax1965
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I just replied to the "deadlock" matter on another thread.
I'm an ex database administrator, on Oracle, not SQL server, which is what this site is hosted on. However, the same principles apply as Oracle and SQL (and most relational databases) operate in much the same way. When a query to a database object fails.... ie, when you try to look something up and the network drops, for example, you end up with a lock. Locks are part of DBA life, the database basically marks data as "not writeable" for a while as it stops multiple data updates to the same location. You get a certain number of locks available to the system. Normally, a background process clears up locked data after a while, but in some cases, if you get lots of locks, the background process has failed or a serious lock occurs. If you get shed loads of locks, the DBA intervenes, overrides the manual process and does it all manually. Except Prog Archives won't have a DBA looking after it, it costs too much. Since lots of locks are occurring, a sensible thing to do is for the ISP to (a) shut the SQL server database down and then (b) re-start it. This should resolve all the locks. Probably. ;-) Longer you leave a locking up database, worse it gets. I'd schedule in an auto shutdown / reboot of the database at least once a fortnight, to be honest. That's easy to do. |
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Quinino
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Hummmm, makes sense - which means it's out of our reach
M@@@@@@@x, are you there? |
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Vompatti
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From my limited understanding it's a relatively common database error, but there should be an error handler in the SQL code that retries the transaction a certain number of times if it fails.
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Tapfret
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Sounds like the kind of thing that might clear up with a simple server reboot.
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Quinino
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Bad News are back
Four more hours have passed with intense use of the DB and now the error made an unexpected comeback Provisional conclusion to be made: all points to the cause being on the site, not a permanent situation but dependent on some condition that varies with time ... volume of user traffic creating some kind of bottleneck ? m@x doing some update / backup / whatever ? |
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Quinino
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Good News - for two hours now I'm not getting any error message - let's hope for the best, it was really annoying / time consuming / nerve wrecking (Ufffffff........)
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AEProgman
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Now I am getting the error, started yesterday, worse today. Occurred on iPhone and on Windows 7 laptop using Google Chrome. First Crapcha, now this.... :(
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The.Crimson.King
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Just tested and I'm getting it consistently right now...noticed it a couple days ago as well
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Tapfret
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Yes, but only the first album I try to access, then it stops for the test of my session.
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yam yam
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I've been getting it too over the last couple of days when visiting album pages or band/artist entries. I'm using Chrome browser, with McAfee WebAdvisor, but no other add-ons. Again, it only happens with progarchives, and no other sites, so almost certainly not a local problem with my computer.
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Quinino
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I almost wished it was only me, at least there was a chance to be able to repair on my own...
Now, I'm just guessing, but which browser are you guys using - mine is Firefox 56 (with NoScript, Mcafee WebAdvisor, Colorful Tabs and Download StatusBar add-ons), could this somehow be the culprit ? |
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omphaloskepsis
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Edited by omphaloskepsis - January 20 2018 at 13:09 |
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The Bearded Bard
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I, too, have gotten it from time to time lately. 30% of the time sounds about right.
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