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Tom Ozric
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Posted: August 24 2017 at 12:47 |
^ I'd buy it !!!
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mitarai_panda
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Posted: August 24 2017 at 18:41 |
kenethlevine wrote:
1 star review of the new album now on the PA home page |
Because there are some repetitions, not a particularly powerful song, and too much of a narration may lose the music But I still like it!
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Kingsnake
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 01:07 |
The album is a rockopera. So it has to be seen in a different light.
Eloy made spacey and mythological conceptalbums like Planets/Time to Turn, Ocean/Ocean II, Dawn etc.
But this is much more in the vein of War of the Worlds. There's no spacey concept to this. It's a historical story and should be considered as such.
As a rockopera it works quite right. I don't really like rockoperas though, I'm more a fan of the spacey concepts of Eloy. But the music on the new album is very good, the production is really warm and up front. The vocals of Frank are really nice, if you compare it to his singer colleagues of the same age (Ian Anderson, Fish, Justin Hayward, John Lees, etc.) There are great synthsolos, guitarsolos, lots of dynamics, great bassparts, nice timesignatures changes, very tight drumming, etc.
So on the surface there is really nothing wrong to this album.
By the way: this is not the first time, that Eloy uses narrative parts (Atlantis' Agony has spoken parts, and on Ra there's a female voice that narrates). Also the parts that are recycled are from the same concept; Jeanne d'Arc was already the subject of two songs; on Destination and on Tides Return Forever, so in that light, it's more of a reprise.
Savatage did exactly the same when the reprised When the Crowds are Gone on Streets. Also Mike Oldfield, Dream Theatre, Rush, Saga and millions more recycled old ideas and concepts in new albums, or divided concepts into several albums. So, I don't really understand that that would be a good argument for a 1* rating. A 1* rating would mean that absolutely nothing on this album resembles progrock or Eloy. And that's so far from the truth.
I don't know if this album is a 5* album, because I'd rather hear a Ocean III, I really am a sucker for spacey themes. But this albums is at least a 4* star album. The production and calmness of the songs is something that a lot of bands can take an example from. Eloy manages to pull the listener into the story, and that's really something.
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mitarai_panda
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 03:35 |
I have now played five times, I am more and more like it I think there are several songs that are bright spots: 1. The Age of the Hundred Years' War (great opening) 7. The Ride by Night ... Towards the Predestined Fate (great bass part) 8. Chinon (though lengthy, but brilliant) 10. The Sword (I agree with that person: between 4'24 "and 4'50" is great) 13. Why? (Bornemann's voice evolved, the last female was great) Others are nice: 2. Domremy on the 6th of January 1412 3. Early Signs ... from a Longed for Miracle 5. The Call 11. Orléans But some are weaker: 4. Autumn 1428 at Home 6. Vaucouleurs 9. The Prophecy 12. Les Tourelles (it's too monotonous)
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Modrigue
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 08:41 |
Just saw the album is available on Deezer since today.
I'm going for it right now!
Edited by Modrigue - August 25 2017 at 08:42
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Barbu
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 09:06 |
Gave $400 to my good pal 'the dentist' earlier this week so Jeanne D'Arc will have to wait a little.
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kenethlevine
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 10:28 |
listened to it once on spotify...not thrilled. Obviously need to listen a bit more
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Kingsnake
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Posted: August 26 2017 at 01:31 |
It's a different cup of tea. I guess people will rate this album 3* or 4* stars. It's not a 5* album, but definately not a 1* or 2* album either.
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Barbu
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Posted: August 26 2017 at 20:21 |
Another listen to Reincarnation on Stage last night. Wow! One of the best live album I own, every Eloy fan need that one. 5 very bright stars!
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YESESIS
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Posted: August 26 2017 at 20:29 |
Barbu wrote:
Another listen to Reincarnation on Stage last night. Wow! One of the best live album I own, every Eloy fan need that one. 5 very bright stars! |
I'll have to check that one out then for sure! They're a band that I'm really getting into atm. Thanks.
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Posted: August 27 2017 at 12:20 |
Barbu wrote:
Another listen to Reincarnation on Stage last night. Wow! One of the best live album I own, every Eloy fan need that one. 5 very bright stars! |
It really is excellent- on vinyl its spread across 6 sides and I just listen from start to finish and there's no filler at all IMO; superbly played, sang, recorded and produced. There are very, very few live lps ive ever listened to in entirety so many times in a row. On the strength of that lp I am very keen to see them again if they play in Europe!
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Barbu
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Posted: August 28 2017 at 13:16 |
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
Barbu wrote:
Another listen to Reincarnation on Stage last night. Wow! One of the best live album I own, every Eloy fan need that one. 5 very bright stars! |
It really is excellent- on vinyl its spread across 6 sides and I just listen from start to finish and there's no filler at all IMO; superbly played, sang, recorded and produced. There are very, very few live lps ive ever listened to in entirety so many times in a row. On the strength of that lp I am very keen to see them again if they play in Europe! | Absolument.
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richardh
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Posted: August 31 2017 at 15:35 |
Kingsnake wrote:
The album is a rockopera. So it has to be seen in a different light.
Eloy made spacey and mythological conceptalbums like Planets/Time to Turn, Ocean/Ocean II, Dawn etc.
But this is much more in the vein of War of the Worlds. There's no spacey concept to this. It's a historical story and should be considered as such.
As a rockopera it works quite right. I don't really like rockoperas though, I'm more a fan of the spacey concepts of Eloy. But the music on the new album is very good, the production is really warm and up front. The vocals of Frank are really nice, if you compare it to his singer colleagues of the same age (Ian Anderson, Fish, Justin Hayward, John Lees, etc.) There are great synthsolos, guitarsolos, lots of dynamics, great bassparts, nice timesignatures changes, very tight drumming, etc.
So on the surface there is really nothing wrong to this album.
By the way: this is not the first time, that Eloy uses narrative parts (Atlantis' Agony has spoken parts, and on Ra there's a female voice that narrates). Also the parts that are recycled are from the same concept; Jeanne d'Arc was already the subject of two songs; on Destination and on Tides Return Forever, so in that light, it's more of a reprise.
Savatage did exactly the same when the reprised When the Crowds are Gone on Streets. Also Mike Oldfield, Dream Theatre, Rush, Saga and millions more recycled old ideas and concepts in new albums, or divided concepts into several albums. So, I don't really understand that that would be a good argument for a 1* rating. A 1* rating would mean that absolutely nothing on this album resembles progrock or Eloy. And that's so far from the truth.
I don't know if this album is a 5* album, because I'd rather hear a Ocean III, I really am a sucker for spacey themes. But this albums is at least a 4* star album. The production and calmness of the songs is something that a lot of bands can take an example from. Eloy manages to pull the listener into the story, and that's really something. |
Yep they have wandered into Kayak territory (Kayak have done 3 such things) My main criticism is that you are stuck with the narrative and cannot push a button to remove it . Kayak had this option on the DVD of Merlin Bard Of The Unseen , a smart idea imo.
I realise though that Eloy have used narrative before on Ocean and Power and The Passion but I much prefer it when they stopped doing it and concentrated on the music. Colours, Planets and TTT are definitely where it's at for me.
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mitarai_panda
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Posted: September 04 2017 at 06:19 |
I read the lyrics, and now think that dialogue is very interesting, especially Chinon and Les Tourelles, very narrative
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kenethlevine
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Posted: September 04 2017 at 13:17 |
richardh wrote:
Kingsnake wrote:
The album is a rockopera. So it has to be seen in a different light.
Eloy made spacey and mythological conceptalbums like Planets/Time to Turn, Ocean/Ocean II, Dawn etc.
But this is much more in the vein of War of the Worlds. There's no spacey concept to this. It's a historical story and should be considered as such.
As a rockopera it works quite right. I don't really like rockoperas though, I'm more a fan of the spacey concepts of Eloy. But the music on the new album is very good, the production is really warm and up front. The vocals of Frank are really nice, if you compare it to his singer colleagues of the same age (Ian Anderson, Fish, Justin Hayward, John Lees, etc.) There are great synthsolos, guitarsolos, lots of dynamics, great bassparts, nice timesignatures changes, very tight drumming, etc.
So on the surface there is really nothing wrong to this album.
By the way: this is not the first time, that Eloy uses narrative parts (Atlantis' Agony has spoken parts, and on Ra there's a female voice that narrates). Also the parts that are recycled are from the same concept; Jeanne d'Arc was already the subject of two songs; on Destination and on Tides Return Forever, so in that light, it's more of a reprise.
Savatage did exactly the same when the reprised When the Crowds are Gone on Streets. Also Mike Oldfield, Dream Theatre, Rush, Saga and millions more recycled old ideas and concepts in new albums, or divided concepts into several albums. So, I don't really understand that that would be a good argument for a 1* rating. A 1* rating would mean that absolutely nothing on this album resembles progrock or Eloy. And that's so far from the truth.
I don't know if this album is a 5* album, because I'd rather hear a Ocean III, I really am a sucker for spacey themes. But this albums is at least a 4* star album. The production and calmness of the songs is something that a lot of bands can take an example from. Eloy manages to pull the listener into the story, and that's really something. |
Yep they have wandered into Kayak territory (Kayak have done 3 such things) My main criticism is that you are stuck with the narrative and cannot push a button to remove it . Kayak had this option on the DVD of Merlin Bard Of The Unseen , a smart idea imo.
I realise though that Eloy have used narrative before on Ocean and Power and The Passion but I much prefer it when they stopped doing it and concentrated on the music. Colours, Planets and TTT are definitely where it's at for me. |
fully agree
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verslibre
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Posted: October 06 2017 at 17:43 |
After having listened to it several times, I must say...I love it! This is prime Eloy. Frank Bornemann has done it again!
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Barbu
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Posted: October 07 2017 at 19:59 |
^ good news. My copy should arrive next week.
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Barbu
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Posted: November 29 2017 at 10:25 |
Ce bon vieux Eloy! A highly enjoyable 4 stars for The Vision part 1.
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verslibre
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Posted: November 29 2017 at 13:36 |
I've a friend who's also an Eloy fan, but he won't order it because he says he's only buying vinyl now.
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Rednight
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Location: Mar Vista, CA
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Posted: November 29 2017 at 14:32 |
My introduction to the band Eloy was through a superb compilation CD titled Chronicles I. My friend also provided me CD copies of their major albums, and I look forward to the day I can do my own compilation from them. Nothing to sneer at, and any comparison to 'Floyd is not particularly deserved.
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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