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Kepler62 
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 Posted: March 17 2017 at 16:02 |
 twseel wrote:
The American army is at least 75% pure vanity, they will never get attacked on land, they're way too far out to be reached by ships, they can already shoot hostile airplanes out of the air, and then~15% is keeping that circlejerk in the Middle East going, and no, seperating yourself from them because they are supposedly dangerous and crazy is not a solution either, regardless if they actually are or not, you're just sustaining your own problems. |
You've written off the mighty Canadian military? We can attack at any second. Another Pearl Harbour could be brewing.
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twseel
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Posted: March 17 2017 at 14:13 |
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The American army is at least 75% pure vanity, they will never get attacked on land, they're way too far out to be reached by ships, they can already shoot hostile airplanes out of the air, and then~15% is keeping that circlejerk in the Middle East going, and no, seperating yourself from them because they are supposedly dangerous and crazy is not a solution either, regardless if they actually are or not, you're just sustaining your own problems.
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HackettFan
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Posted: March 17 2017 at 13:56 |
progaardvark wrote:
The only items getting increases are military- and national security-related. The U.S. already spends more than any other country in the world on military, more than twice what China spends (who ranks second). My prediction is they'll pick another country to invade, run up another damned huge deficit, and then another Democratic president will be forced to deal with another GOD-DAMNED REPUBLICAN MESS!!!!What a bunch of f**kheads!!!
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I agree and this is what leaves me scratching my head over conservative ideology in general. When conservatives are asked to explain why they hold their views about limited government, a recurrent explanation is that they are afraid of government imposition because they're the ones with the guns. And true you see this played out with their position on gun control, government aid, federal regulations, federal reclamation of land and protection of environment, and so on. However, conservatives tend also to be hawkish, strengthening the military component of the federal government that they say they so fear (Trump of course fits right into this). I tend to view this supposed fear of federal government as very disingenuous. Is it deception, self-deception, or is there something I'm missing? This is an open question to anyone who thinks they can answer.
Edited by HackettFan - March 17 2017 at 13:59
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twseel
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Posted: March 17 2017 at 12:40 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Since Trump's inauguration, the United States National Debt has gone down over 100 billion dollars.
If current trend is sustained, the National debt would go down 2.76 trillion dollars in 4 years.
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=01&startDay=20&startYear=2017&endMonth=03&endDay=17&endYear=2017
From Obama's initial inauguration, covering the same period the national debt increased 416 billion dollars.
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=01&startDay=20&startYear=2009&endMonth=03&endDay=17&endYear=2009
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I think I could eat at a restaurant every day if I were to stop paying my rent, and I could even buy a small car if I stopped paying my tuition fees; why didn't I think of this before!?
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: March 17 2017 at 12:01 |
Since Trump's inauguration, the United States National Debt has gone down over 100 billion dollars.
If current trend is sustained, the National debt would go down 2.76 trillion dollars in 4 years.
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=01&startDay=20&startYear=2017&endMonth=03&endDay=17&endYear=2017
From Obama's initial inauguration, covering the same period the national debt increased 416 billion dollars.
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=01&startDay=20&startYear=2009&endMonth=03&endDay=17&endYear=2009
Edited by omphaloskepsis - March 17 2017 at 12:08
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: March 17 2017 at 11:52 |
micky wrote:
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What could.. and would get him impeached... is finding out just where that income came from and if from Russian investments... he's gone... what got released was ..what 2 pages. Basic stuff, not the detailed return. He has been hiding something.. there would be no reason to NOT release them if not....and it wasn't 'avoiding taxes'.
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SteveG
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Posted: March 17 2017 at 09:47 |
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Trump said that he does business bankruptcy better than anyone. Well now's his chance to bankrupt an entire country.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 17 2017 at 08:43 |
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GCHQ GCHQ GCHQ GCHQ OMG OMG OMG OM!
This is so extreme, it just has to be a distraction for some thing so horrific that it's going to be burried in the flurry of the next next few days.
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progaardvark
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Posted: March 17 2017 at 06:45 |
The only items getting increases are military- and national security-related. The U.S. already spends more than any other country in the world on military, more than twice what China spends (who ranks second). My prediction is they'll pick another country to invade, run up another damned huge deficit, and then another Democratic president will be forced to deal with another GOD-DAMNED REPUBLICAN MESS!!!! What a bunch of f**kheads!!!
Edited by progaardvark - March 17 2017 at 06:56
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twseel
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Posted: March 17 2017 at 01:07 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
The detestable Scrotum-in-Chief plans to destroy the environment, eliminate arts and education, and basically build a police state with a larger army and a wall that won't keep anyone out. Here are some cuts that will affect my family, friends, neighborhood and state: 1) Eliminates the $500 million Water and Wastewater loan and grant program. 2) Cuts Women, Infants and Children nutrition assistance from $6.4 billion to $6.2 billion. 3) Cuts $250 million from coastal research programs that ready communities for rising seas and worsening storms. 4) Cuts $3.7 billion in grants for teacher training, after-school and summer programs, and aid programs to first-generation and low-income students. 5) "Significantly" reduces federal work-study aid to college students. 6) Cuts $900 million from the Office of Science. 7) Eliminates the Energy Star, Weatherization Assistance Program, ARPA-E, Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing Program, and Title 17 loan guarantees. 8) Decreases funding for the National Institutes of Health and certain programs to train health professionals. 9) Eliminates funding for the 49 National Historic Sites. 10) Eliminates the Senior Community Service Employment Program, which helps low-income seniors find work. 11) Eliminates climate-change prevention programs, including pledged payments to U.N. climate-change programs. 12) Discontinues funding for international climate-change programs. 13) Cuts funding for the Superfund cleanup program and the Office of Enforcement and Compliance. 14) Cuts $102 million of funding from NASA Earth science, terminating four missions aimed at understanding climate-change. 15) Eliminates the $115 million NASA Office of Education. 16) Eliminates all $148 million for the National Endowment for the Arts and all $148 million for the National Endowment for the Humanities. 17) Eliminates the $445 million for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which supports public television and radio, including PBS and NPR. 18) Slash Environmental Protection Agency funding that pays for Great Lakes pollution cleanup by 97 percent. Throw in the huge tax breaks Trump and his Republican cronies plan on giving millionaires once they destroy Obamacare and steal health insurance from 20+ million people, it is obvious this a****le needs to go. This a****le needs to go quickly. This a****le needs to go now. |
Yeah, that doesn't sound like a conservative but rather like a libertarian extremist. How many of these do you think will/would pass Congress?
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 16 2017 at 21:31 |
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^ Except the people who voted Trump weren't doing their job or following orders-- they have no excuse.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 16 2017 at 21:15 |
Atavachron wrote:
^ And yet somehow I hear the people who voted for him thinking "Now we're getting somewhere!-- "
Beaches? We don't need no stinking beaches.
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Those are the same idiots that blindly cheered Hitler on, watched their Jewish neighbors disappear, and then when their country was destroyed either said "I was just doing my job" or "I was just following orders."
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 16 2017 at 21:11 |
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^ And yet somehow I hear the people who voted for him thinking "Now we're getting somewhere!-- "
Beaches? We don't need no stinking beaches.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 16 2017 at 20:58 |
The detestable Scrotum-in-Chief plans to destroy the environment, eliminate arts and education, and basically build a police state with a larger army and a wall that won't keep anyone out. Here are some cuts that will affect my family, friends, neighborhood and state: 1) Eliminates the $500 million Water and Wastewater loan and grant program. 2) Cuts Women, Infants and Children nutrition assistance from $6.4 billion to $6.2 billion. 3) Cuts $250 million from coastal research programs that ready communities for rising seas and worsening storms. 4) Cuts $3.7 billion in grants for teacher training, after-school and summer programs, and aid programs to first-generation and low-income students. 5) "Significantly" reduces federal work-study aid to college students. 6) Cuts $900 million from the Office of Science. 7) Eliminates the Energy Star, Weatherization Assistance Program, ARPA-E, Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing Program, and Title 17 loan guarantees. 8) Decreases funding for the National Institutes of Health and certain programs to train health professionals. 9) Eliminates funding for the 49 National Historic Sites. 10) Eliminates the Senior Community Service Employment Program, which helps low-income seniors find work. 11) Eliminates climate-change prevention programs, including pledged payments to U.N. climate-change programs. 12) Discontinues funding for international climate-change programs. 13) Cuts funding for the Superfund cleanup program and the Office of Enforcement and Compliance. 14) Cuts $102 million of funding from NASA Earth science, terminating four missions aimed at understanding climate-change. 15) Eliminates the $115 million NASA Office of Education. 16) Eliminates all $148 million for the National Endowment for the Arts and all $148 million for the National Endowment for the Humanities. 17) Eliminates the $445 million for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which supports public television and radio, including PBS and NPR. 18) Slash Environmental Protection Agency funding that pays for Great Lakes pollution cleanup by 97 percent. Throw in the huge tax breaks Trump and his Republican cronies plan on giving millionaires once they destroy Obamacare and steal health insurance from 20+ million people, it is obvious this a****le needs to go. This a****le needs to go quickly. This a****le needs to go now.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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HackettFan
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Posted: March 16 2017 at 20:35 |
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So Trump's proposed budget eliminates funding to the National Endowment for the Humanities, I'm sorry to say as someone whose research was funded by them for a year. It also cuts out the National Endowment for the Arts. That might have a negative effect on some musicians. A whole bunch of cuts, the purpose of which is not to shrink the deficit but to help fund an increase in the Defense budget. BTW, lots of people, even liberals, have made a great deal about how Trump's not a conservative. I never bought that, and this budget doesn't strike me as anything other than genuinely conservative.
Edited by HackettFan - March 16 2017 at 20:37
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progaardvark
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Posted: March 16 2017 at 06:58 |
The actual tax returns released by candidates and former presidents can be found here:
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i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag
that's a happy bag of lettuce
this car smells like cartilage
nothing beats a good video about fractions
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: March 15 2017 at 18:56 |
LearsFool wrote:
Trump should have paid around 35% in taxes, but his negative income malarkey allowed him to pay the 24% paid by a family that makes about $400,000 a year. Furthermore, most of said taxes had to be paid via the alternative minimum tax - otherwise, he would only have paid 4% in taxes, around $5M, hence why he wants to obliterate the AMT.
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I agree. Trump should have paid 35% in taxes. It seems rich people have great tax lawyers. Obama paid 19% in taxes. Bernie Sanders paid 13% in taxes.
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micky
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Posted: March 15 2017 at 15:54 |
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ehhh... the issue isn't really what he paid in taxes. That bombshell blew up last yearwith his negative income. That hardly bothered anyone. Can't blame him or anyone for taking what the system gives you. Trump may be many things.. but a good hearted philanthropist who believes in the social contract he is not. No problem there, not everyone is.
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What could.. and would get him impeached... is finding out just where that income came from and if from Russian investments... he's gone... what got released was ..what 2 pages. Basic stuff, not the detailed return. He has been hiding something.. there would be no reason to NOT release them if not....and it wasn't 'avoiding taxes'.
Speaking of taxes.. AMT and all that jazz.. yeah man. Again, that is why we are seeing the freakiness out of Washington these days. The rushed 'health care' bill that really is not a 'health care' bill as they don't care about providing cheap coverage or anyone can afford it. That was never the goal. The goal?
The CBO scored the AHCA (Trumpcare/Ryancare/Don'tgiveaf**kingcare) as a deficit reducer, since the cost of repealing of
Obamacare’s wealth taxes would be more than offset by slashing funding
for Medicaid and scrapping Obamacare’s subsidies. Thus it’s easier to make tax reform (ie.. slashing corporate taxes and those on the rich) revenue-neutral, thereby qualifying it
for the budget “reconciliation” process that disallows filibusters by
the Senate minority.
all of this.. it isn't about Healthcare.. it is about taxes and their attempts to 'reform' the tax laws.
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LearsFool
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Posted: March 15 2017 at 15:18 |
Trump should have paid around 35% in taxes, but his negative income malarkey allowed him to pay the 24% paid by a family that makes about $400,000 a year. Furthermore, most of said taxes had to be paid via the alternative minimum tax - otherwise, he would only have paid 4% in taxes, around $5M, hence why he wants to obliterate the AMT.
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SteveG
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Posted: March 15 2017 at 14:25 |
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Putin said that Trump is a modest man and not to worry about his taxes.
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