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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2017 at 23:17
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

And once more the sick power of religion has enabled thousands of people to stay silent when members of another religion are banned from a country, their country. Many supposedly "moral, decent" people who follow the cross are involved in this.

Once more, religion shows its true colors. 
And if the rumours that the God-Emperor will sign an executive order allowing persecution of LGBTQ on the grounds of  religious belief are true (and given his track-record thus far there is no reason to doubt this) then the USA has become a land that I no longer have any respect for what so ever.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2017 at 00:13
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

IS GOD OBSOLETE OR DO WE NEED HIM?


Of course, for God to be obsolete, or no longer needed, He must have existed and been relevant and needed in the first place, prior to becoming obsolete and no longer required. The question you ask presupposes this, probably not something a card carrying atheist would care to admit to, eh?
Semantically perhaps, but even then that's open to interpretation. The world is littered with obsolete gods, we no longer need Horus to move the sun across the sky or Zephyrus to make the wind blow for example, in fact there is whole host of obsolete gods we no longer need that we've retired and shipped off to the Elysian Fields rest home for out of work gods in Eastbourne. 

Paraphrasing the shouty post to "is mankind's need for god obsolete?" removes any possible chance of ambiguity and misinterpretation and the obvious answer to that is no, as you imply in your next paragraph, there are many people on this earth who need to believe in a god for whatever reason (whether he exists or not). In contrast there are also many atheists in this world for whom the concept of god is not required. For my own part I would say that my need for god is obsolete and that does not require any god to ever have existed for me to say that.

The 3,801 posts in this thread show atheists care to admit lots of things, least of all that many of us were born christian, (and in that religion-lottery if we had been born in a different part of the world we have been born into a different religion with a different god, and if we were born to different parents we could even have been born non-believers). So for some of us belief in god was something indoctrinated into us from a very early age. Through no choice of our own we were born "believers" whether we like it or not so understandably some atheists really did once believe that god was real and they also believed lots of other things that their religion had told them were true. Whether a god actually existed or not, the belief in that god was real enough ... and that's it: Gods do not have to exist for people to believe that they do.
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For billions of people around the world, of many faiths, God plays a big part in their lives. This is a matter of fact. It does not prove God exists, but it does prove a massive belief in such a supposition.

[see above.] Furthermore, the need for a god must exist for us to have created one, in pretty much the same way as the need for the tooth fairy must have existed for us to have created one.
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I have said before on this, and other, threads, the belief that God does not exist is as much a belief system as that which states that he does.
And in my (literally) 100s of posts in this thread I have gone to great length to explain how and why atheism isn't, and cannot be, a belief system.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2017 at 07:12
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

And once more the sick power of religion has enabled thousands of people to stay silent when members of another religion are banned from a country, their country. Many supposedly "moral, decent" people who follow the cross are involved in this.

Once more, religion shows its true colors. 
And if the rumours that the God-Emperor will sign an executive order allowing persecution of LGBTQ on the grounds of  religious belief are true (and given his track-record thus far there is no reason to doubt this) then the USA has become a land that I no longer have any respect for what so ever.
And it would be warranted. This country is slowly becoming a bad parody of what it once was (once like, 12 days ago). 

Still, most people here didn't want this. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2017 at 09:59
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

And once more the sick power of religion has enabled thousands of people to stay silent when members of another religion are banned from a country, their country. Many supposedly "moral, decent" people who follow the cross are involved in this.

Once more, religion shows its true colors. 
And if the rumours that the God-Emperor will sign an executive order allowing persecution of LGBTQ on the grounds of  religious belief are true (and given his track-record thus far there is no reason to doubt this) then the USA has become a land that I no longer have any respect for what so ever.

Unfortunately it's a very likely situation. Pence has a huge amount of power in this administration, this is known. Pence tried to pass a bill Indiana making it legal to discriminate on religious grounds.
He also has an extremely regressive record on LGBT Rights.

I certainly can't blame you for that last line...even as an American I find it harder to disagree. The "people are generally good" is getting harder to tell myself and people I know personally I've had to slowly drift from, because some very disturbing things have bubbled up in recent years, things I can't accept. That so many Americans don't just like Trump but actually DO want his walls, bans, anti science, xenophobic, regressive policies leaves me depressed.

All I can say is please remember only 46% voted for Trump. A solid majority did NOT want him, and more did choose Hillary Clinton. An archaic system that no longer represents true America is largely why he's here and in that regard, it was basically 100,000 ish people in a few states that got us here. Don't think America wants this, though far too many DO. Just don't hold us all liable friendSmile As someone about to go through Brexit I think you can understand
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