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BarryGlibb 
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 Posted: January 02 2016 at 00:11 |
 Tom Ozric wrote:
Not quite Argus, but I spun There's The Rub yesterday and it's a bloody excellent album start to finish. Easy 4 star - No Smoke Without Fire is close in quality. |
Tom...you've finally found a few more Ash albums other than their first! I have followed WA for almost 40 years. Yes, Argus is a great album, no doubt about it.....it's everyone's favourite but for some reason, which I really cannot pinpoint, is the fact that I love There's The Rub more. The musicianship, the songs and the production on There's The Rub are all extraordinary.....and especially for 1974. Blown away I was when I first heard it (on a good hi-fi system) ......you cannot appreciate it from a Youtube clip. If you can get the Japanese SHMCD edition of There's the Rub, then do; as it's exceptional. I wonder whether the individual master tapes exist for a 5.1 mix? Probably not. Tom keep listening to There's The Rub ....it will soon be your 5 star masterpiece.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: January 02 2016 at 02:38 |
^  I've had TTR for a couple of years (well, almost 2) and got NSWF several months back. I think we discussed it. The debut is still my favourite, even my sister digs it. But, yes, Rub is pretty wicked, the lead solos are mightily impressive and quite 'shredding' - Turner's bass on the opening cut has some overdrive or distortion, again awesome. The more I listen, it could get that 5th star yet.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: January 02 2016 at 02:39 |
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Can't have the same post appearing one after the other.....
Edited by Tom Ozric - January 02 2016 at 02:42
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: January 02 2016 at 02:39 |
.....something dodge just happened with my post........ 
Edited by Tom Ozric - January 02 2016 at 02:41
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Ian Stuart
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Posted: January 15 2017 at 23:08 |
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In my view, not only is Argus the finest Wishbone Ash album but it's one of the 10 or 12 "perfect" albums of my entire Prog life: 1965 to present. Truly a gem which I spin at least once a quarter ...
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npjnpj
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Posted: January 16 2017 at 02:10 |
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Argus and There's the Rub are both 5 star albums for me. Their other albums do nothing for me (including the first two) and are all somewhere between 1 and 3 stars. Most, to be honest, are pretty much dreck.
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octopus-4
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Posted: January 16 2017 at 02:36 |
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I have a special feeling for Pilgrimage and Front Page News, too. Honestly I wouldn't recommend Front Page News to any progger,but Surface to Air is a great song and the rest of the album is not special but not bad at all.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Jeffro
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Posted: January 16 2017 at 07:19 |
Based on the comments here, i'm going to check out There's The Rub.
Tried Wishbone 4 and found it a let down after Argus.
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octopus-4
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Posted: January 16 2017 at 07:59 |
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Wishbone 4 is just a rock album. I like "No Easy Road but the live version on Hot Ash is better. Yes, Wishbone 4 is an album one an give up to.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Rednight
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Posted: January 16 2017 at 12:38 |
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Just happened to find an unwrapped, remastered Argus CD the other week for around $7 at my favorite used record/CD store down the way and asked one of its clerk for any knowledge of it. He said it was their best, so the purchase was made. Having never heard anything by the band before, I found it to be quite good, musicianship-wise, but I didn't see any prog connection to it, and I generally wasn't crazy about it. Perhaps 10 more listens ...
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: January 16 2017 at 22:37 |
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Argus is a great album. I enjoy it a lot, but I still prefer the debut (soz Barry !!.......still can't steer me away from this brilliant slab of wax......) though I have yet to hear a weak WA album (70's era, I guess). I did get New England a couple months ago and it, too, is a very strong album - lots to enjoy for sure. I'm just kicking myself that I snobbed them off back in the late-80's when I was initially discovering lots of great Prog bands (my dumb attitude ; no keyboards, not Prog.....). And now Anthrax. Such a great Thrash band I missed all this time.....but I digress.
I do think Argus has its progressive traits for sure, without being full-blown Prog-Rock. Nevertheless, should appeal to a large percentage of Proggers out there.
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Big Ears
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Posted: January 17 2017 at 04:10 |
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I like all of the 'classic' albums, the reunion albums with Martin Turner and Martin Turner's solo material.
Edited by Big Ears - January 17 2017 at 04:11
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Replayer
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Posted: January 20 2017 at 13:59 |
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I discovered the band due to PA about two years ago and I've gotten their first three albums so far. My current preference is Argus, followed by Wishbone Ash, followed by Pilgrimage. Based on the comments on this thread, I've added There's the Rub and New England to my future musical purchases list.
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Mascodagama
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Posted: January 20 2017 at 17:21 |
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^ Just my 2c, but after the first three studio albums I'd say the best things to have are Live Dates and Live Dates 2. Between those you have killer versions of almost all the highlights of their repertoire and miss the uninspired pap that featured to some extent on basically all of their post-Argus albums.
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Jeffro
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Posted: January 21 2017 at 17:48 |
Mascodagama wrote:
^ Just my 2c, but after the first three studio albums I'd say the best things to have are Live Dates and Live Dates 2. Between those you have killer versions of almost all the highlights of their repertoire and miss the uninspired pap that featured to some extent on basically all of their post-Argus albums. |
I agree with this. I recently tried There's The Rub and other than the song F.U.B.B. I was completely unimpressed with that album. Wishbone 4 bores me to tears. I've sample bits and pieces of later works but none of it is on par with their early output, imo.
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maryes
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Posted: January 22 2017 at 08:32 |
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I don't write a review about Wishboone Ash "Argus" but ... my rate probably is between 3 or 4 stars !!!
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 01 2017 at 02:44 |
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I need to try this album again. I have it on CD somewhere.
I've heard it maybe three times in my life and it does nothing for me at all, but seems to be broadly regarded as an absolute classic and must have album. I need to understand why.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: February 04 2017 at 03:04 |
Jeffro wrote:
Mascodagama wrote:
^ Just my 2c, but after the first three studio albums I'd say the best things to have are Live Dates and Live Dates 2. Between those you have killer versions of almost all the highlights of their repertoire and miss the uninspired pap that featured to some extent on basically all of their post-Argus albums. |
I agree with this. I recently tried There's The Rub and other than the song F.U.B.B. I was completely unimpressed with that album. Wishbone 4 bores me to tears. I've sample bits and pieces of later works but none of it is on par with their early output, imo. |
Keep playing it i.e. There's The Rub. It's brilliant IMHO.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 04 2017 at 03:07 |
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^...............New England is no slouch, either...............but then again, depends what you're looking for within certain genres.
Some folks love 'the music' some bands produce. Others love 'bands', whatever they produce, good or bad......
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npjnpj
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Posted: February 04 2017 at 23:14 |
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Laurie Wisefield should never have been let anywhere near a microphone.
Every album on which he sings, he drags my personal rating down by at least two stars. Talk about tuneless warbling!
He's an excellent guitarist though.
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