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Points: 2601 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2016 at 23:53
Never can understand why the vitriol directed toward Big Generator.

Is it because Yes were not playing what the public wanted? Whatever happened to all those audiences of 70,000 plus in 1979 stadia that made Yes play music people liked, er, I mean prog in short sharp bursts. Changes, It Can Happen all fine pieces and a very prog thing to do release a mini album called the Solos.

While a lot of the mysterious sound was dissipated in the shorter song approach Genesis had some fine material throughout. So it's not Nursey Cryme (parts 8 - 15), can't expect one of symphonic rock's finest bands to churn out the same old song and dance merely because the fans want the same old thing over and over.

Yet, when they did move into, or back into territory (CAS) when Phil Collins left the fans were so lethal in their criticism 9despiet a good singer and different drummer - or two) Genesis quit. You might still have Genesis until they were so demoralized from conservative fandom.

Not read all the posts but I assume the anti-Asia crusade will rear it's head.

No one was safe from the archly critical. Rush earned negative criticism for adopting Police procedures (openly and deliberately) and the mighty Crim with being a la Talking Heads. And Marillion for being like Genesis. Just a bit.

Not forgetting the elegant sounds Roxy Music displayed.

These bands are sl*g.ed for what they weren't really. And still they displayed so much ability one would think the prog rock crowd would be aware enough to appreciate the quality instead displaying the sort of low brow mean-spiritedness I would equate with an ACDC audience faced with an acoustic set. Or a ballad.

I do wish In The Air Tonight had been a Genesis song. Or that they did a version of it.


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Points: 383 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2016 at 03:36
I love the 80s for both.

With Genesis, the 80s is actually my favorite era of their output. The only albums of theirs I like as well as the 80s albums are Selling England by the Pound, A Trick of the Tail and We Can't Dance (the latter essentially being 80s Genesis overlapping the 90s). I don't mean to suggest that I don't like earlier Genesis--Genesis would be in my top 100, maybe even in my top 50, but I just like their 80s material even more than the early stuff (and I also like solo Peter Gabriel more than most earlier Genesis).

With Yes, my #4 artist overall, it's not my favorite period of their output, but I like their 80s stuff as well as I like their other periods, and Drama is an especially underrated Yes album in my opinion.

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Went to see Genesis on the Abacab tour - brilliant show. I have a great fondness for this much maligned album. Essentially Genesis have always been about songs rather than virtuoso musicianship. Even their most proggy tracks are quite poppy. Because of this, their growing commercialism in the 80s was quite a natural progression for them. Yes, on the other hand, were a vey different beast. The integration of pop/soft rock elements into their music felt less natural and seemed at greater odds with the band's identity.

For this reason, Genesis in the 80s are much more palatable than 80s Yes.

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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

 
Excluding Owner of a Lonely Heart, all the other tracks are great.

I know this 6 1/2 years too late but I think Owner of a Lonely Heart is a very good pop song despite being a bigger fan of their earlier work.
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Personally, I love both of their 80s period but I'd obviously choose Genesis over Yes. Both bands had fun, catchy songs. Genesis had songs like abacab, Mama, Home by the Sea/ Second Home by the Sea, Domino, etc. And Yes had some catchy songs like Owner of a Lonely Heart (which, despite the amount of times I hear on the radio, I still love) Cinema, It Can Happen, Shoot High Aim Low.

Sure the material isn't Close to the Edge or Supper's Ready quality but neither was it meant to be. I think both bands adapted well to the eighties.
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Points: 18300 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2017 at 10:12
Originally posted by Mr. Maestro Mr. Maestro wrote:

True, Yes was more genuinely "proggy" than Genesis in the 80's... but Genesis (with Phil Collins at the helm) made a better pop band than Yes did.  From a progressive rock standpoint, Yes wins easily... but from a purely objective, musical standpoint, I think Genesis was better at what they did (making pop music) than Yes was.

Just my opinion, though.

I can't really disagree with any of that. My preference is for Yes but I admit I'm biased. 

Jumping off from what you said though Yes were over all more popular in the seventies and thus were a bigger prog band in the seventies while Genesis were bigger as a pop band in the 80's(and over all more popular than Yes). I think most people who get(or got)into the prog side of Genesis way later on after they became a pop band also eventually discovered Yes. I call it the trickle down effect. Whether these people eventually discover Spock's Beard or the lesser known prog in general is anyone's guess. Tongue
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