Mike Oldfield's Voyager

tszirmay wrote: Dean wrote: tszirmay wrote: Dean wrote: tszirmay wrote: Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: Need to check it out, I'll probably pick it up You must choose not to be influenced by any of his other, more accepted, works. On its own merits, its is masterful.  Nah, I think you have to view it in context and in time. Compared to his other albums of the 90s it's middling at best while Songs From Distant Earth and Amarok tower above it - it's the Hergest Ridge of the 90s - not bad but not great either and quite easy to live without. Nah, you just compared it!  You did not view it in context and in time.  It followed Songs... that's viewing it in context; it was the same decade as Amarok... that's viewing it in time. At least I didn't mention Tubby Bells 2 & 3 that cashed-in on either side of it, or comment on the "Guitars" album that followed it. Voyager is a so-so album. It's not terrible, it's not magnificent and even by its own merits it isn't masterful - by its own merits it's okay.  It seems your valued and precise opinion will always TRUMP mine.  Different tastes are not debatable, unless expressed by higher powers.

With you, very difficult, as always . You are a grumpy old man who likes to be very authoritative and authoritarian. You opinion is always factual while other person's facts are just opinions. Tu ne fais pas le poids , mon cher. 

Edited by tszirmay - November 01 2016 at 12:25

The use of the imperative IT IS or IT ISN'T denotes little opinion but rather stating it like fact. A master linguist like you should know this 

SteveG wrote: I have no opinion as I never heard the album. I have early Oldfields like Ommadawn and Hergest Ridge. Am I missing much?

Larkstongue41 wrote: Dean wrote:  Songs From Distant Earth and Amarok tower above it Never listened to Amarok and I have nothing against your opinion, but Songs Of Distant Earth?? Really? I mean, Oldfield's probably in my top 10 musical bands/artists, but I always thought of that album as being more bad than good. It has its moments for sure, but I never particularly liked it.

Edited by kenethlevine - November 01 2016 at 14:23

SteveG wrote: kenethlevine wrote: SteveG wrote: I have no opinion as I never heard the album. I have early Oldfields like Ommadawn and Hergest Ridge. Am I missing much? Yes Steve I think you are missing a lot there, but I wouldn't recommend Voyager next or even 10th or 11th  Chronological is as good an approach as any I'll take your word on this, Ken. I gave up on M.O. with the albums Crises and Five Miles Out. Too much pop thrown in for me, but I liked the longer instrumentals on both albums.

SteveG wrote: kenethlevine wrote: SteveG wrote: I have no opinion as I never heard the album. I have early Oldfields like Ommadawn and Hergest Ridge. Am I missing much? Yes Steve I think you are missing a lot there, but I wouldn't recommend Voyager next or even 10th or 11th  Chronological is as good an approach as any I'll take your word on this, Ken. I gave up on M.O. with the albums Crises and Five Miles Out. Too much pop thrown in for me, but I liked the longer instrumentals on both albums.

Larkstongue41 wrote: Dean wrote:  Songs From Distant Earth and Amarok tower above it Never listened to Amarok and I have nothing against your opinion, but Songs Of Distant Earth?? Really? I mean, Oldfield's probably in my top 10 musical bands/artists, but I always thought of that album as being more bad than good. It has its moments for sure, but I never particularly liked it.

I do find Songs of Distant Earth to be very good... all of it is beautiful... perhaps his best album as far as the whole album goes... though I think he reached higher peaks on his 70's albums. As for Amarok, I found that one rather difficult to enjoy... it's got good music parts here and there, but it's all presented as one song, and if you don't have 40 continuous minutes to hear it you won't be able to finish it, and when you find a nice bit of music within, it doesn't last long enough and some noisy parts come in. The Africa 1 section is just sublime, though.

Dean wrote: tszirmay wrote: The use of the imperative IT IS or IT ISN'T denotes little opinion but rather stating it like fact. A master linguist like you should know this  Crust on a f**king bike, man you're f**king desperate. Okay, have it your way, you are correct, any subjective statement any f**ker makes about any piece of art must be a f**king fact if it is stated as an imperative. sh*t man, thanks for opening my f**king eyes, boy have I learnt a f**king lesson today. Cheers.

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: Dellinger wrote: Larkstongue41 wrote: Dean wrote:  Songs From Distant Earth and Amarok tower above it Never listened to Amarok and I have nothing against your opinion, but Songs Of Distant Earth?? Really? I mean, Oldfield's probably in my top 10 musical bands/artists, but I always thought of that album as being more bad than good. It has its moments for sure, but I never particularly liked it. I do find Songs of Distant Earth to be very good... all of it is beautiful... perhaps his best album as far as the whole album goes... though I think he reached higher peaks on his 70's albums. As for Amarok, I found that one rather difficult to enjoy... it's got good music parts here and there, but it's all presented as one song, and if you don't have 40 continuous minutes to hear it you won't be able to finish it, and when you find a nice bit of music within, it doesn't last long enough and some noisy parts come in. The Africa 1 section is just sublime, though. Well that was deliberate, it was a snub to Richard Branson & Virgin, he owed them an album and they wanted singles and hits. He deliberately recorded it as one song that changes all over the place so no 3 minute section could be pulled out as a single. Personally I find it sublime. It's bizarrely wonderful.

Yeah, I know about that, but still that makes the album hard to follow... however, it has got lot's of followers and is generally regarded as great... I just have found it hard to love. And in the end, the Africa 1 section I mentioned before was a very easy piece to pull a single from.