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 Posted: October 14 2016 at 08:31 |
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But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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I don't see a problem with the drumming, I think it's great, he kicks ass in the "Relayer" section of The Remembering, the percussion in general on "The Ancient" and "Ritual" is great and there's some brilliant drum patterns on TRSOG. PS - there is a live version of Soundchaser on The Word is Live box set. The sound's a bit dodgy from what I remember but that song must be a bugger to play live.
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 08:40 |
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But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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I don't see a problem with the drumming, I think it's great, he kicks ass in the "Relayer" section of The Remembering, the percussion in general on "The Ancient" and "Ritual" is great and there's some brilliant drum patterns on TRSOG. PS - there is a live version of Soundchaser on The Word is Live box set. The sound's a bit dodgy from what I remember but that song must be a bugger to play live. |
I didn' know that version of Sound Chaser ,only the bootlegs ones, fenomenal!!! I've never paid attention to that box. Future Times, America, Sound Chaser, We can fly from here. Hidden treasure, for me. Thanks  
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 09:00 |
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The best version of live "Ritual" has just been released In the new version of Tales , the Steve Wilson 2016 mix.It was recorded in 1974. Much more energetic than the one of Yes Songs.
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Did you mean the version from Yesshows?
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 21:11 |
Devoncir wrote:
chopper wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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I don't see a problem with the drumming, I think it's great, he kicks ass in the "Relayer" section of The Remembering, the percussion in general on "The Ancient" and "Ritual" is great and there's some brilliant drum patterns on TRSOG. PS - there is a live version of Soundchaser on The Word is Live box set. The sound's a bit dodgy from what I remember but that song must be a bugger to play live. |
I didn' know that version of Sound Chaser ,only the bootlegs ones, fenomenal!!! I've never paid attention to that box. Future Times, America, Sound Chaser, We can fly from here. Hidden treasure, for me. Thanks
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I have never liked "Sound Chaser" very much... mostly because I have a hard time with those "Cha Cha Cah's"... however, as far as I remember, I did like the live version on "The Word is Live" much better, even if it still has those Cha cha cha's... however, I have never played them back to back to compare them.
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 21:24 |
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I have never liked "Sound Chaser" very much... mostly because I have a hard time with those "Cha Cha Cah's"... however, as far as I remember, I did like the live version on "The Word is Live" much better, even if it still has those Cha cha cha's... however, I have never played them back to back to compare them. |
The cha cha cha part for me is: reminiscence to haaaaa of close to the edge and also to register that there is a "search for sounds", it represents the "sound chaser" experimenting new possibilities of sound. I like it because it's unexpected and out of musical context , bizarre. . Also this is one of the only "presto" (very fast pacing) vocal songs I can remember. Few groups attempt to sing and play so fast simutaneously . Sound Chaser, like all Relayer album is very hermetic. Live and studio versions are very similar
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Posted: October 15 2016 at 06:36 |
Dellinger wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
chopper wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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I don't see a problem with the drumming, I think it's great, he kicks ass in the "Relayer" section of The Remembering, the percussion in general on "The Ancient" and "Ritual" is great and there's some brilliant drum patterns on TRSOG. PS - there is a live version of Soundchaser on The Word is Live box set. The sound's a bit dodgy from what I remember but that song must be a bugger to play live. |
I didn' know that version of Sound Chaser ,only the bootlegs ones, fenomenal!!! I've never paid attention to that box. Future Times, America, Sound Chaser, We can fly from here. Hidden treasure, for me. Thanks
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I have never liked "Sound Chaser" very much... mostly because I have a hard time with those "Cha Cha Cah's"... however, as far as I remember, I did like the live version on "The Word is Live" much better, even if it still has those Cha cha cha's... however, I have never played them back to back to compare them. |
Yes... This is so funny. I remember vividly the first time I heard relayer a very very long time ago. After a few minutes I just wanted to skip it... it was so booooring felt like an half hour... Suddenly all changed. The Soon section silently sneaked and it made my eye brown rise because it was the anti-thesis to everything just heard. It was music. Really weird feeling. But I hadnīt hear nothing yet... Second side... I had hope. I truly hoped that they will find melody again maybe thereīs something great Yes music still . After a minute I just wanted to to skip the damn thing it really was bloody awful. They had totally lost their thing: melody and harmony, and in particular singing harmonies. It was impossible to believe that this band had recorded tunes like "Time and a World", "Astral Traveller", "Roundabout", "America" (incredibly beautiful version of Paul Simon/Art Gartfunkel song)... and cha cha cha .. I just bursted into laughter  Did they try to sound angry (grin). Well, that does not fit them at all ! Last tune is nothing but prolonged pop Yes song, actually the dullest they have ever done (so far). Nothing progressive, on the contrary. I really had to struggle to listen it all. How could they sank into this crap will remain a mystery to me.
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Posted: October 15 2016 at 21:29 |
Devoncir wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
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I have never liked "Sound Chaser" very much... mostly because I have a hard time with those "Cha Cha Cah's"... however, as far as I remember, I did like the live version on "The Word is Live" much better, even if it still has those Cha cha cha's... however, I have never played them back to back to compare them. |
The cha cha cha part for me is: reminiscence to haaaaa of close to the edge and also to register that there is a "search for sounds", it represents the "sound chaser" experimenting new possibilities of sound. I like it because it's unexpected and out of musical context , bizarre. . Also this is one of the only "presto" (very fast pacing) vocal songs I can remember. Few groups attempt to sing and play so fast simutaneously . Sound Chaser, like all Relayer album is very hermetic. Live and studio versions are very similar
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Well, the cha cha cha may be the band searching and experimenting new possibilities... but that doesn't mean they found somthing pleasing. In this case not for me, though.
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Posted: October 15 2016 at 21:33 |
Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
chopper wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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I don't see a problem with the drumming, I think it's great, he kicks ass in the "Relayer" section of The Remembering, the percussion in general on "The Ancient" and "Ritual" is great and there's some brilliant drum patterns on TRSOG. PS - there is a live version of Soundchaser on The Word is Live box set. The sound's a bit dodgy from what I remember but that song must be a bugger to play live. |
I didn' know that version of Sound Chaser ,only the bootlegs ones, fenomenal!!! I've never paid attention to that box. Future Times, America, Sound Chaser, We can fly from here. Hidden treasure, for me. Thanks
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I have never liked "Sound Chaser" very much... mostly because I have a hard time with those "Cha Cha Cah's"... however, as far as I remember, I did like the live version on "The Word is Live" much better, even if it still has those Cha cha cha's... however, I have never played them back to back to compare them. |
Yes... This is so funny. I remember vividly the first time I heard relayer a very very long time ago. After a few minutes I just wanted to skip it... it was so booooring felt like an half hour... Suddenly all changed. The Soon section silently sneaked and it made my eye brown rise because it was the anti-thesis to everything just heard. It was music. Really weird feeling. But I hadnīt hear nothing yet... Second side... I had hope. I truly hoped that they will find melody again maybe thereīs something great Yes music still . After a minute I just wanted to to skip the damn thing it really was bloody awful. They had totally lost their thing: melody and harmony, and in particular singing harmonies. It was impossible to believe that this band had recorded tunes like "Time and a World", "Astral Traveller", "Roundabout", "America" (incredibly beautiful version of Paul Simon/Art Gartfunkel song)... and cha cha cha .. I just bursted into laughter Did they try to sound angry (grin). Well, that does not fit them at all ! Last tune is nothing but prolonged pop Yes song, actually the dullest they have ever done (so far). Nothing progressive, on the contrary. I really had to struggle to listen it all. How could they sank into this crap will remain a mystery to me. |
To be Over... that one is a rather frustrating one for me. The main melody is really wonderful... perhaps one of the most beautiful ones the band has created... but it really goes over-long and becomes dull and ruined. There's a solo version by Howe in one of his albums, all instrumental and shorter (barely 5 min), with some backing band, but focused on his guitar. He has also played it with Yes as his solo spot, only him with his acoustic guitar... both versions are really wonderful. I only wish the band had done a version of this song when they did their all acoustic songs in the middle of the 00's, that one could have been the definite version of the song, but as it is, I'll stay with the intrumental versions from Howe.
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Posted: October 16 2016 at 11:37 |
One can't argument about taste. But I love Relayer. All of three songs. To Be Over for me is the best. Such a trip -- it should last 20 minutes. . The only problem with Relayer is that it could have been a double album in my opinion- "Gates" should last 40 minutes & "Sound" and "To be Over" 20 minutes each. So many great ideas in such a short time. . Maybe it happened after "prima donna" reviewers of that time criticized TFTO, and maybe Yes - what a pity - listened those reviewers, and decided to make their great ideas short, not to hurt prima-donna-reviwer's 3-minutes-sensibility.
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Posted: October 16 2016 at 21:02 |
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Now, saying that Yes kept songs short on Relayer is just a joke.
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Posted: October 17 2016 at 04:49 |
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Now, saying that Yes kept songs short on Relayer is just a joke. |
To Be Over has dozens os sections and ideas. . Tangerine Dream, for instance, make one complete album with half an idea, or an idea and a half. They just make the idea last 40 minutes, with many "electronic landscapes" . Tangerine Dream and groups alike would release albuns for a decade if they had so many ideas as Yes in Relayer. If they had as much ideas as TFTO, they would probably release some 20 albuns. . The first album could be even double, with hypnoctic gregorian chants - as the introduction os Revealing Science of God, that lasts somee 3 minutes in the hands of Yes
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 02:22 |
Dellinger wrote:
Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
chopper wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
But we still need a proper live version of "Sound Chaser"- Why, heavens, why haven't they recorded that live for us, hungry fans? . PS: Could someone please explain the problem whit the drums in TFTO? The problem is that it's not Bruford, or there is a REAL problem?
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I don't see a problem with the drumming, I think it's great, he kicks ass in the "Relayer" section of The Remembering, the percussion in general on "The Ancient" and "Ritual" is great and there's some brilliant drum patterns on TRSOG. PS - there is a live version of Soundchaser on The Word is Live box set. The sound's a bit dodgy from what I remember but that song must be a bugger to play live. |
I didn' know that version of Sound Chaser ,only the bootlegs ones, fenomenal!!! I've never paid attention to that box. Future Times, America, Sound Chaser, We can fly from here. Hidden treasure, for me. Thanks
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I have never liked "Sound Chaser" very much... mostly because I have a hard time with those "Cha Cha Cah's"... however, as far as I remember, I did like the live version on "The Word is Live" much better, even if it still has those Cha cha cha's... however, I have never played them back to back to compare them. |
Yes... This is so funny. I remember vividly the first time I heard relayer a very very long time ago. After a few minutes I just wanted to skip it... it was so booooring felt like an half hour... Suddenly all changed. The Soon section silently sneaked and it made my eye brown rise because it was the anti-thesis to everything just heard. It was music. Really weird feeling. But I hadnīt hear nothing yet... Second side... I had hope. I truly hoped that they will find melody again maybe thereīs something great Yes music still . After a minute I just wanted to to skip the damn thing it really was bloody awful. They had totally lost their thing: melody and harmony, and in particular singing harmonies. It was impossible to believe that this band had recorded tunes like "Time and a World", "Astral Traveller", "Roundabout", "America" (incredibly beautiful version of Paul Simon/Art Gartfunkel song)... and cha cha cha .. I just bursted into laughter Did they try to sound angry (grin). Well, that does not fit them at all ! Last tune is nothing but prolonged pop Yes song, actually the dullest they have ever done (so far). Nothing progressive, on the contrary. I really had to struggle to listen it all. How could they sank into this crap will remain a mystery to me. |
To be Over... that one is a rather frustrating one for me. The main melody is really wonderful... perhaps one of the most beautiful ones the band has created... but it really goes over-long and becomes dull and ruined. There's a solo version by Howe in one of his albums, all instrumental and shorter (barely 5 min), with some backing band, but focused on his guitar. He has also played it with Yes as his solo spot, only him with his acoustic guitar... both versions are really wonderful. I only wish the band had done a version of this song when they did their all acoustic songs in the middle of the 00's, that one could have been the definite version of the song, but as it is, I'll stay with the intrumental versions from Howe. |
Why waste your time anymore with that filler? Itīs boring because Howe had run out of ideas already. That album shows his limitation as a composer (Iīm not sure but the damn album to my senses sounds just Howeīs pointless ramblings accompanied by Patrick Moraz) and particularly as guitarist because he simply cannot play jazz/rock fusion decently. Relayer is practically noise, with the exception of the Soon section, of course. There was/are tens of better musicians/players in that field already. Total lack of (constructive) melody and harmony, with added very strangely sounding cheap studio effects What the heck was master engineer Eddie Offord thinking or was he thinking anything really. just play with the faders ? They tried to copy themselves, that CttE format for third time, and they failed miserably. In everything.
Time to move on. Iīm sure you like King Crimson, Arti + Mestieri etc. Listen to true musicians and virtuosity and intelligent structures in fusion (jazz/rock) instead. Life is short man.
Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - October 21 2016 at 03:59
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 05:45 |
^^ The solo guitar of To Be Over is one of the reasons I'm big fan of Howe. One of the best solos of prog. If you want fusion, listen to fusion, Yes is not Fusion. Relayer is not fusion. . Relayer is the Opposite of fusion, itīs hermetic. There's barelly place for fusion in Yes, and specially in Relayer. Relayer is not free form, but structured hermetic compositions. . I like fusion sometimes, but itīs like "listen to my improvising: forty minutes of something I could do for 7 days without stopping" - itīs like smelling the musician farts.
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 05:46 |
Great Work... Liked it
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 07:25 |
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^^The solo guitar of To Be Over is one of the reasons I'm big fan of Howe. One of the best solos of prog. If you want fusion, listen to fusion, Yes is not Fusion. Relayer is not fusion. . Relayer is the Opposite of fusion, itīs hermetic. There's barelly place for fusion in Yes, and specially in Relayer. Relayer is not free form, but structured hermetic compositions. . I like fusion sometimes, but itīs like "listen to my improvising: forty minutes of something I could do for 7 days without stopping" - itīs like smelling the musician farts.
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"One of best solos in Prog ?" - Is that a fact. I cannot take you seriously for now on. "... opposite of fusion, itīs hermetic". Your words not mine. Fact nevertheless. Of course it is because they tried fusion and failed. Hermetic sure in Howeīs soloing to be exact, for those who like those kind of stuff. But absolutely nothing to do with Prog. The hardest and the most difficult part of Prog is fusion. Thatīs why very very few can do it. All instrumental parts and most singing on relayer is combination of "farts" (by Devoncir). Here I gladly kinda quote you because you said it better than I. LMAO
Except the Soon section which is the one truly beautiful and thus progressive part on that bizarre album. The only thing I never ever will care about. Because of Jon Andersonīs incredibly beautiful and harmonic voice that is unique, he saved this mess from total disaster.
Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - October 20 2016 at 09:40
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 08:11 |
Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
Devoncir wrote:
^^The solo guitar of To Be Over is one of the reasons I'm big fan of Howe. One of the best solos of prog. If you want fusion, listen to fusion, Yes is not Fusion. Relayer is not fusion. . Relayer is the Opposite of fusion, itīs hermetic. There's barelly place for fusion in Yes, and specially in Relayer. Relayer is not free form, but structured hermetic compositions. . I like fusion sometimes, but itīs like "listen to my improvising: forty minutes of something I could do for 7 days without stopping" - itīs like smelling the musician farts.
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"One of best solos in Prog ?" - Is that a fact. I cannot take you seriously for now on. "... opposite of fusion, itīs hermetic". Your words not mine. Fact nevertheless. Of course it is because they tried fusion and failed. Hermetic sure in Howeīs soloing to be exact, for those who like those kind of stuff. But absolutely nothing to do with Prog. The hardest and the most difficult part of Prog is fusion. Thatīs why very very few can do it. All instrumental parts and most singing on relayer is combination of farts. Here I gladly kinda quote you because you said it better than I. LMAO
Except the Soon section which is the one truly beautiful and thus progressive part on that bizarre album. The only thing I never ever will care about. Because of Jon Andersonīs incredibly beautiful and harmonic voice that is unique, he saved this mess from total disaster.
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Next time you listen to your fusion, think: if they could improvise for 7 days without stopping, why the hell have they cut or recorded only forty minutes? itīs because itīs exaclty THE forty minutes they were farting while playing. That was their joke. Letīs play for 7 days and cut only the pieces when we were farting. . In the other hand Yes recorded something they HAD composed, because they are composers. . I love Soon, but sometimes I skip it --- the only part of the album that sometimes I skip. But that solo of To be Over is something that I antecipate, and the vocal "grand finalle". Love it, love it.
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 08:33 |
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"One of best solos in Prog ?" - Is that a fact. I cannot take you seriously for now on. |
I guess you won't take me seriously either as I also rate this solo very highly. I also rate "Relayer" very highly as do a large number of Yes fans. We also have different tastes.
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Posted: October 19 2016 at 13:54 |
chopper wrote:
Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
"One of best solos in Prog ?" - Is that a fact. I cannot take you seriously for now on. |
I guess you won't take me seriously either as I also rate this solo very highly. I also rate "Relayer" very highly as do a large number of Yes fans. We also have different tastes.
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Right. I never ever gave a damn for those large number Yes "fans" I find it amusing that your darling is even compared to mighty Oceans.
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